I’m also at least partially convinced that it’s motivated by our social media giants’ interest to “think of the children” their competition away.
Seeing as the order was basically “Get bought by an American corpo or get banned.” They either plunder the competitor’s insane data collection, userbase, and profits, or kick them off their corner.
“Get bought by a Chinese entity or get banned” is the default posture of the Chinese government. BMW China is Chinese. Samsung China is Chinese. Panasonic China is Chinese. GM China is Chinese. If TikTok US is forced to be American, it wouldn’t be the most unfair thing this week.
I’m not sure that’s a bar you even clear, given the ice “detention centres” you set up domestically and places like abu ghraib or Gitmo you run on foreign soil. And as for criticising the government, what’s the practical use if a felon and a billionaire can rig your election without any repercussions anyway?
“I can call trump a criminal online, that’s freedom right there!”
I don’t know who is this “you” person mentioned, but I’m thankfully not American and my country has done nothing of sorts.
Plus people are not tortured even in ice centers. Gitmo is another story, but those are war crimes, not genocide. I know, weird argument, but I like to be precise m
People aren’t tortured with an iron maiden, but when you have conditions like under trump in 2020, and the suicide rate in ice detention jumped 11 times higher than the previous 10 year average, I don’t think you can suggest ice detention is that far away from concentration camps.
Also, Gitmo isn’t for enemy combatants - they can chuck anyone suspected of terrorism in there, even US citizens. It most definitely isn’t exclusively “war crimes”.
You’re splitting hairs here for the sake of winning an argument. There’s no practical difference between cruelty and torture to the people suffering it. “Oh and don’t worry about it, because it’s only hundreds, not thousands in this particular torture cruelty facility”.
And as far as genocide goes, you’re moving the goal posts here, but if we’re playing that game, the native Americans might have something to say about that.
I mean, going back to the original argument here, my overarching point is really that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones and the US’s track record of authoritarianism and human rights abuses is comparable enough to make them just as untrustworthy at the most and certainly not in any position to criticise a state who is trying to manage billions of people at the least.
This is a pretty sane explanation.
I’m also at least partially convinced that it’s motivated by our social media giants’ interest to “think of the children” their competition away.
Seeing as the order was basically “Get bought by an American corpo or get banned.” They either plunder the competitor’s insane data collection, userbase, and profits, or kick them off their corner.
You can also see it as retribution.
“Get bought by a Chinese entity or get banned” is the default posture of the Chinese government. BMW China is Chinese. Samsung China is Chinese. Panasonic China is Chinese. GM China is Chinese. If TikTok US is forced to be American, it wouldn’t be the most unfair thing this week.
You can’t have your “we’re better than them cos freedumb” cake and eat it too.
Well, let’s set the bar at not having concentration camps or not going to jail or being made “dissappear” for criticizing the government. For now…
I’m not sure that’s a bar you even clear, given the ice “detention centres” you set up domestically and places like abu ghraib or Gitmo you run on foreign soil. And as for criticising the government, what’s the practical use if a felon and a billionaire can rig your election without any repercussions anyway?
“I can call trump a criminal online, that’s freedom right there!”
“Will he actually be arrested?”
“Well no, but it feels good to say it”
I don’t know who is this “you” person mentioned, but I’m thankfully not American and my country has done nothing of sorts.
Plus people are not tortured even in ice centers. Gitmo is another story, but those are war crimes, not genocide. I know, weird argument, but I like to be precise m
People aren’t tortured with an iron maiden, but when you have conditions like under trump in 2020, and the suicide rate in ice detention jumped 11 times higher than the previous 10 year average, I don’t think you can suggest ice detention is that far away from concentration camps.
Also, Gitmo isn’t for enemy combatants - they can chuck anyone suspected of terrorism in there, even US citizens. It most definitely isn’t exclusively “war crimes”.
Negligence (and even cruelty) is different from literal torture and (allegedly) extermination of an ethnic/religious group.
Also, gitmo holds hundreds of people, not hundreds of thousands.
You’re splitting hairs here for the sake of winning an argument. There’s no practical difference between cruelty and torture to the people suffering it. “Oh and don’t worry about it, because it’s only hundreds, not thousands in this particular
torturecruelty facility”.And as far as genocide goes, you’re moving the goal posts here, but if we’re playing that game, the native Americans might have something to say about that.
I mean, going back to the original argument here, my overarching point is really that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones and the US’s track record of authoritarianism and human rights abuses is comparable enough to make them just as untrustworthy at the most and certainly not in any position to criticise a state who is trying to manage billions of people at the least.
Aren’t they a 49:51 split international company:Chinese version?
As long as the Chinese entity has control, it’s fair game.