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It’ll take a while, but I do believe we’re watching the downfall of Twitter.
And I suspect, now that Bluesky is the clear successor to Twitter, the process will only accelerate.
Give it 6 months and then musky’s well funded administration will find a way to make bluesky feel the legal crunch
They can just shift countries. 32% of Bluesky users are from Brazil, ~ 7% from Japan, ~ 4% from the UK and 2% from Germany.
Likely there will be an exodus of web services that don’t want to trade the further loss of Article 230 and the requirement of Christofascist cemsorship for even less taxes and zero worker protections.
Truth social hasn’t failed yet, it could lose money and it would just be a propaganda service that costs money instead of making money.
It’s not going to have
fundingbribing problems until Trump is out of office.
Who cares…it’s just changing one shitpile for the next soon-to-be shitpile. Bluesky will inevitably go down the shitter too once its users have enough inertia to keep them there as they squeeze them dry.
Twitter isn’t falling due to not being open source, or not being decentralized, or any of the other reasons I’ve heard people advocate for mastodon.
People are leaving twitter because it has gone fully right wing in politics. Twitter will not “fail” in the traditional sense. Twitter will fall, but not fail.
Twitter will be the right wing conspiracy platform.
Bluesky will be what twitter was 5 years ago for the left wing.
Nothing else has changed. This isn’t a rebellion against corporate social media. This isn’t meant to be a fediverse uprising. None of that is happening. This is nothing more than Mary, and Beth who voted for Harris wanting to use twitter how they used to, without right wing agenda being added to their twitter feed. Which is exactly what bluesky is. A twitter clone without the racists.
Dare I suggest that the reason for twitter becoming so right wing, is that it’s a centralized social media website, subject to the crazed far right whims of the capitalist who bought it…
Twitter went right wing because of the model.
When it’s all about following people and very short forms of communication, it will eventually lean right.
Same way the lemmy format encourages nuance and ideas over people, so it will eventually lean left
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…I wasn’t replying to you. I was replying to the other guy who said it doesn’t matter since bluesky is just the same as twitter in terms of ownership.
I noticed that and deleted my post but the deletion probably hasn’t federated just yet, sorry about that
Bluesky is at least semi-decentralized, however, though not to the same extent as something like Mastodon
I’d also argue that Twitter is also uniquely bad even among other problematic platforms
Bluesky is at least semi-decentralized
No it isn’t, this is marketing and until the developers actually put their money where their mouth is and provide the genuine capacity for decentralization (not just along some narrow technical definition but actually decentralized in practice) this is pure marketing hype that you absolutely shouldn’t trust until you are given indisputable proof and then you should still be skeptical because they can always pull the rug out from under you.
Bluesky is open source yes, but what they are talking about is the CLIENT side of Bluesky, the actual system is dependent upon proprietary code that is most definitely not open source.
It’s actually more so the other way around. The backend (PDS and relays) is open source but I believe the AppView is not currently open source
https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds
Why do bluesky advocates always concede the “appview” part is effectively centralized, mandatory to interact with as part of the community inside the silo of bluesky and is indefinitely considered a proprietary entity to bluesky themselves, to the point that the CEO of bluesky (a crypto person which should already be a red flag) has gone on record saying they haven’t ruled out using “appview” to interject ads into the network as an avenue for monetization … and then act like that doesn’t undermine the basic sales pitch of bluesky in the first place?
I feel like I am being sold a boat by a salesman that just explained to me with a straight face that yes the boat technically has a huge hole in the bottom of it but that the rest of the boat is far more seaworthy than any boat ever and the builder is absolutely going to deliver by fixing the critical design flaw soon even though in this case doing so would existentially threaten the “boat” builder’s business and besides the salesman knows one of the low ranking workman at the “boat” builders yard and he is very trustable.
“The way Bluesky is built largely prevents a business model solely relying on ads, because users could create alternative feeds without ads on its open protocol.” - Jay Graber CEO of bluesky
This is incredibly disgenous to say, sure you could run your own entire seperate network using bluesky… why would you? You have to either choose to be in the big silo or you are banished to outside of it, a state of affairs the fediverse was specifically designed to stop from happening and yet it still struggles with overcentralization.
I am sorry, I have been on the fediverse for years and seen it struggle with the natural tendency for winners to win more and centralization to occur from bandwagoning (exhibit A: mastodon.social) and I think it is hilarious anyone who is actually paying attention thinks bluesky has a real chance of becoming and staying decentralized in any meaningful sense (especially when the investors knock on the door to pay a visit and say it is time to start delivering).
There are other app views in the works from other people, but yes in the current state it is rather centralized. That’s why I started off saying it was semi-decentralized. I wasn’t claiming it was super decentralized
You don’t call it semi-boat if there is a gaping hole in the hull and no convincing indication the hole will be fixed or indeed any really solid evidence the hole wasn’t put their on purpose to negate all the other floaty bits.
You either call it a scam or a $15 million boondoggle of a yacht that was designed so poorly that it can’t even go in the water without sinking.
Everybody has been led by the hype into speaking about this boat as if it was a foregone conclusion it will float when nobody can even conclusively demonstrate the motives of the builders and financers is to create a boat that actually floats rather than just the vibe of one.
We have a perfectly seaworthy boat here and while it is ugly, obtuse and patched together it is still actually a working boat that was designed by people who would be absolutely mortified and ashamed to find out they somehow missed patching a gaping hole in the hull that allowed the cold brutal ocean of corporate money to rush in and effectively sink the ship before it could even set sail.
Monetization of the commons to the exhaustive extent modern capitalism demands is fundamentally at odds with any meaningful sense of decentralization and worse the health of the commons and the community members who compose it, it is surprisingly easy to understand if you just think about the basic incentive structure here.
Yep, and for anyone who curious why it’s not actually decentralized, I highly suggest to read this thread from someone who worked on ActivityPub:
https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698
And part 2:
If nothing else I will personally find it very funny if Elon Musk spent $44,000,000,000 on something and then unintentionally destroyed it in just three years
He didn’t spend 44 billion on twitter. He spent 44 billion to gain a hand in the 2024 election. He already won.
I’m still going to enjoy it if I get to watch the $44b not buy any more elections. I know he can afford to do it again, but you’ve got to take what joy you can get from the world, you know?
The Saudis footed the bill for most of that $44bn - most is only out of pocket about $10bn of it iirc.
Fwiw he didn’t actually intend to buy it, he was shitposting and got nailed by the SEC, only THEN did he try to work out what to do with it.
Unfortunately the “what” turned out to be destroying democracy and helping Trump turn the US into a feudal state
The Saudis footed the bill for most of that $44bn - most is only out of pocket about $10bn of it iirc.
I mean they definitely got their money’s worth in terms of torpedoing one of the most threatening social media tools for politically destabilizing authoritarian regimes.
Anyone who wants to see everything Musk owns crash and burn?
Does Musk actually care about Twitter any more?
It’s served its purpose. It won the election for Trump. Musk will probably just focus on being Trump’s puppy and let Twitter slowly die out.
Ok, can we puh-leese stop talking about corporate media siloses on the fediverse? I keep seeing Elon’s stupid mug plastered all over the media, can Lemmy be the exception, pretty please?
I Set up the content filter with „Elon“ and „musk“ which significantly reduced it. Now it’s just posts like these that remain. Can’t recommend enough!
But then how am I supposed to find out about the latest manly cologne?
We can stop talking about after we’ve destroyed it
It’s quite ironic that for a lot of people “destroying twitter” means spending half a day there, finding rage-inducing tweets and sharing them on other social media sites just so they can enjoy the free traffic and engagement. It would be nice if we could, you know, ignore it and let it die.
The Switzerland approach isn’t going to work. It’s datacenters must be rendered inoperable and disconnected from the grid and its billionaires made to flee to their bunkers.
Content filters! I’ve got them for Trump, Elon, “Slammed”, “Dragged”, “Blasted” and the question mark, because news headlines in the form of questions can almost always be answered with the word “no” and are not worth my time.
This is 100% the answer. My filter list is exhaustive and its curated a feed for me that doesn’t actively destroy my mental health.
The only thing I wanna see is the ElonJet guy back in a large platform, so that everyone gets easy access to the muskrat’s location. That gets him specially angry as we’ve seen many times
But if Elonjet is in Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/elonjet.net
I don’t understand why they don’t just put up an RSS feed on elonjet.net Why even use social media posts? They’ve got their own website.
Probably because nobody uses RSS. Or websites.
I identify with “old man yells at cloud” more and more every day…
I know, rite??
Social interactions.
I would say musk got out of it what he could. Even if it went bankrupt I think he still got his money worth as mad as this sounds.
He “lost” about 75% value of twitter, from $44bn to $10Bn Musk is worth ~$440Bn.
That’s like a normal person with $50k invested losing about $3500 on a stock. You’ll notice it. But it doesn’t change your day any.
(Dunno about the math, might be off)
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MySpace didn’t die overnight; didn’t it take like 8 years for Facebook to overtake it? Anecdotally in my group of friends, the big exodus from MySpace to Facebook took like 2 years from ‘08-‘10
It just occurred to me that the reason I don’t remember those events, and have no basis to compare, because I had already left the platforms. Same for Digg.
I deleted my personal and business Twitter account the day Musk took over.
Good! Let’s work to keep the momentum going and encourage everyone you know to boycott Twitter/X. If you still use Twitter/X make a post saying you can find me on Lemmy/Bluesky/Mastodon or whatever website/app you choose to replace it.
Don’t let Elon Musk control you and your country, stop Twitter/X now!
Elon is teasing about offering an email service on X… why would anybody give him access to all of your private information?
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Ahaha YES!
So unfortunate that it had to be this way though, Twitter was the perfect name for such a social media app.
Yes you are right at this point!
I hope it’ll start plummeting.
