• acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world
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    That’s such a sad argument. I heard a great counter to that line. Imagine we discovered a cure for cancer. This line of reasoning would say “well my mom suffered and died of cancer so why should others get a cure?”

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      Cancer is mostly random. Going into debt for school is a choice.

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        A choice typically made by 17 year old kids after having spent their entire life having it drummed into them that college is the correct step to take after school

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          Also 17 year old kids, the vast majority of which have never taken on significant debt and have no frame of reference for the scale of obligation they’re taking on.

          It blows my mind that we look at an 17 year old and, as a government, we say, “Alcohol? Too young and immature. Handguns? Too young and immature. Tobacco products? Too young and immature. Voting? Too young and immature. Enlisting in the military or want to take on 5 or 6 figures of debt that will drive your major life decisions for the next few decades? Sign here.”

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        I guess you’re against COVID treatments too because coming in contact with other human beings is also a choice. Lung Cancer cure? No thanks, they chose to smoke those cigarettes so I would like them to suffer.

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          Lung Cancer cure? No thanks, they chose to smoke those cigarettes so I would like them to suffer.

          My mom died of Lung Cancer, didn’t smoke a single cigarette her whole life. So fuck you.

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          I don’t want them to suffer, but I’m not paying for their treatment.

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            I don’t want them to suffer,

            but I’m not paying for their treatment.

            I’m not trying to be spicy, but you must see how these two statements are contradictory.

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            If you have insurance, private or public, you’re paying for them either way. That’s how insurance works.

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            Nobody wants to pay taxes bud, but if you don’t, the country will fall apart around you because of precisely that.

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        What causes you to go to school? Generally a hope to fulfill your basic survival functions these days, like eating, safety, and temperature regulation. Are those needs choices?

        And what causes having those needs? Being born. Was that one’s own choice either?

        I think this argument won’t work well on those who came of age when a highschool degree would cut it, but it is logically rather sound based on present realities.

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          I’m a younger millennial and went to school and got a degree. No debt. It’s a choice.

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            I love this argument. Absolutely no empathy for anyone who had different options and experiences, just straight up “I did it so anyone else can too.” You’re making the world a better place. /s

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              I can have empathy for people in different situations than me, but it’s not my responsibility to bail them out of their problems.

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                What’s your opinion on bailing out Mega Corporations who didn’t responsibly save their money? Or is it ok to bail out Mega Corps but not ok to bail out your mechanic?

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                Well it is if you want a healthy society, other wise sure, every man for himself.