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silence7@slrpnk.netM to Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.@slrpnk.netEnglish · 6 months ago

I’m an Environmentalist. That’s Why I Can’t Vote Green. | Award-winning filmmaker and director of Gasland Josh Fox on why he will never vote for Jill Stein.

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I’m an Environmentalist. That’s Why I Can’t Vote Green. | Award-winning filmmaker and director of Gasland Josh Fox on why he will never vote for Jill Stein.

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silence7@slrpnk.netM to Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.@slrpnk.netEnglish · 6 months ago
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Award-winning filmmaker and director of Gasland Josh Fox on why he will never vote for Jill Stein.

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    It’s easy to tell who’s been propagandized, because they care more about how much it will cost than actually saving the planet.

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      Ah, you assume there’s (or will be) unlimited funds set aside to fight climate change?
      If that is so, why not plaster deserts with solar panels and the oceans with wind turbines. Would go a bit quicker than the 10-20 years it takes to finalise one nuclear power plant. The nuclear hype has no scientific basis.

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        I don’t assume unlimited funds. I know that the only way we can actually address climate change is to overthrow the capitalists driving the pollution. Ending their wars would provide far more than adequate funding, even before wealth redistribution.

        I can’t imagine being so uninformed that you believe the advantages of nuclear energy has no scientific basis. On par with the flat earthers.

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          Jesus man, you want to end capitalism but fall for one of its biggest outfits? Also, right now there is just the capitalist reality and within that science tells us, that nuclear is economically not good enough to support the green transformation. I am fine with overthrowing capitalism, but till then we have to somehow manage with a reality that is inseparable from it.

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            Nuclear is not capitalists’ “biggest outfit.” You’re thinking of oil, and they pay astroturfers to convince people like you to be anti-nuclear.

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              I’m talking about the Energy Companies

              Edit: the claim that the oil industry paid anyone to stop nuclear is a right wing lie. Please look it up, I don’t have the nerve for it anymore.

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                the claim that the oil industry paid anyone to stop nuclear is a right wing lie.

                Oil lobby bot confirmed.

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                  show me your proof that the oil industry paid for anti nuclear sentiment. And try to avoid right wing propaganda. then you may claim whatever you want.

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                    Defending the oil lobby’s anti-nuclear propaganda is really not helping you.

                    https://environmentalprogress.org/the-war-on-nuclear

                    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-misled-world

                    https://rpmanetworks.com/atomkraftclonesite-english/docs/the-fossil-fuel-industrys-war-on-nuclear-power/

                    https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/opposition-to-nuclear-energy/

                    https://www.wsj.com/articles/oil-gas-lobby-opposes-state-subsidies-for-nuclear-power-producers-1493145109

                    https://climatecoalition.org/who-opposes-nuclear-energy/

                    https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/big-oils-electric-fight-against-coal-and-nuclear-1513304200

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