the article is propaganda btw! many autistic people are still affected by marketing and the like! NO ONE IS IMMUNE
There’s no one a con man loves more than someone who thinks they’re too smart to be conned.
People who think they’re immune to ads are the most vulnerable to ads.
NO ONE IS IMMUNE
Sorry but I’m built different
Hellen Keller?
braille marketing
Yes, no one is immune to propaganda in the sense of misinformation.
Ads on the other hand… The often quoted subconscious working of ads just doesn’t work on me: i choose my müesli based on parameters (like texture, taste,…), not on whims! So ads go on one side in, out on the other.
It’s called subconscious for a reason. You aren’t concous about it.
How do you know that you choose your muesli based on parameters, when things like taste are influenced by the brand and design of the package. No this is not a joke and there actually have been studies on this.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0950329312002364
I’m aware of that effect and it doesn’t matter for me.
Preconcusness isn’t the subconscousness but only things that you aren’t councious of right now but that could be brought into consciousness
It literally isn’t the same thing
Edit: they edited their comment and now my comment doesn’t make sense anymore. They said that the unconscious is an outdated term and we should rather use preconousness and that they are way more conscious about everything than everyone else.
and that they are way more conscious about everything than everyone else.
I didn’t say that.
Yeah, sorry I mean about ads. I only recite it from my memory
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Nein, du bist nicht immun gegen Werbung.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Habe ich nicht gesagt. Nur, dass dieser spezifische Typ bei mir nicht funktioniert.
Ads on the other hand… The often quoted subconscious working of ads just doesn’t work on me
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Have you considered those ads simply aren’t targeted at people like you but at the mainstream instead? And that you may well still be susceptible to adds targeted at your kind of mindset?
Have you considered those ads simply aren’t targeted at people like you but at the mainstream instead?
Yes, that’s what i said?
And that you may well still be susceptible to adds targeted at your kind of mindset?
You mean ads for products i would choose based on my need and their qualities? Gladly. But im rather careful with my privacy and see ads only on the street, so there’s that.
Don’t get buthurt so easily.
Another side effect of ads: you think you want Muesli for breakfast, not soup or fried egg.
Nah, i just can’t stomach more in the first few hours.
You buy your muesli…? You know you can make it cheaply and easily, right?
Did you make a blind test on your Müsli? Get several different brands and eat them blind.
There’s health a big consideration, since it’s something almost daily. So 5-corn with wholewheat flakes and fruit it is. Next convenience store has only one brand of it.
Ok if dug that deep into details there is no need for a test.
What “detail”. Average 20’s to 40’s person cares too less for their health and are then suffering and expensive when they get old.
Well I don’t care about my food that much that I choose my cerial on most healthy option. I eat what I want when I feel like it. As long as I don’t eat only unhealthy food this should work out. And if I get to 100 or only 80 because of tthat I don’t care.
Speak for yourself
puts on the blue cap
not the kind of blue cap i first thought of when i saw this notification
Autistic people fall hand over foot for propaganda.
I believe you no questions asked
@elonmusk
Certainly when I was younger that was absolutely the case. I like to think now that I’m older I’m a little more of a free thinker. But ads? Specifically targeted ads? I don’t stand a chance. If I see a game on sale that I’m mildly interested in or a new D&D source book that sounds cool I will buy it without regard for if I need that money for something else.
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This is true even today. Ads are shady af and even the top link on Google is often a literal scam/virus. Ie for years if you looked up the most popular game client for runescape - runelite - the very first link was a fake version that stole your login info. They paid Google and Google said ‘not my problem’. Not to even mention ads on other sites like Facebook. Even in the cases where an ad isnt a blatant scam or virus, ads are inherently dishonest by design and there is no consequence for using them to lie about your product.
Immune is overstating it, strongly resistant is more accurate. I hate labeled clothing, or team clothing. It irritates me when my car has a dealer label, and do not blow smoke about how cool I will look, with whatever or wearing whatever. If my vehicle moves from A to B, is reliable, safe, and doesn’t cost an unreasonable amount to operate, I am good. Does anyone else parse ads, to see their actual claims in neutral language? And filter out the puffery filler words?
Make it noise-cancelling, however, and I am very interested. NRR 33+ brings a smile to my face.
Nobody is immune to propaganda.
That said, when it comes to advertisements, I hate them passionately, and will often note the brand in the advert so I can avoid it.
I don’t know how people can function while there’s a flashy animated thing to one side of their screen, I literally cannot read the main content until that is gone or covered up. It muddled my brain until it’s gone.
Heck, even an overly busy and colourful web page due to a bunch of static ads is very oppressive and difficult to deal with. An untidy website gives me an untidy mind, basically.
I just don’t get how people wade through this crap and get anything done. I’ve blocked ads for decades now, and I’m never going back.
How do you know company A is really advertising to you Company B’s product, which is a competitor of theirs?
Whenever I use a computer without an ad blocker, I’m literally holding out my hand on the screen to block the ad so it doesn’t distract me. ADHD+ND is a bitch.
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Ads don’t actively persuade you to buy something immediately. They plant the information in your mind so that one day when you need to buy something, the first thing that comes to mind is the advertised product. Targetted ads try to shorten this period by guessing what you might need in the shortest term. Autists simply miss the information if they’re not paying attention.
Oh, we’re paying attention, we’re just so insulted that such a pathetic attempt to incept us is what passes for acceptable marketing from multi-billion dollar corporations that we’ll gladly buy the brand that didn’t advertise simply because it knew to leave well enough alone.
Ads both plant information and attempt to persuade. How much effort went into each and how effective they are varies wildly. Furthermore, there are multiple reasons autistic persons aren’t as suseptible to advertisements; it is true that different things tend to get our attention, but it’s also true that we find some arguments to be less persuasive. For example “I did this thing and my life is amazing” is far less likely to influence an autistic person than a neurotypical one.
The secret is realizing you are never going to be happy, and that’s something no product is ever going to be able to change.
IDK, HRT helped lots of my friends be much happier than they have ever been for an extended period of time.
I can certainly see that as the case for impulse purchases.
What baffled me was a stretch where I was getting banner ads for a particular company’s multi million dollar yachts. I was wondering who in the world would be swayed by such a frivolous thing as a banner ad for such a gigantic purchase.
“Tell me what your product is and why I should buy it”
“Buzzword buzzword appeal to emotion happy white suburban family sugary jingle product in frame for like 1 second”
“… what are you selling and why should I buy it??”
The biggest problem with modern advertising is that they try to sell you on the idea before establishing what the idea even is. More often than not they’re not even selling a product so much as a lifestyle which will never apply to you, so why should you even care in the first place?
The biggest problem with modern advertising is that they try to sell you on the idea before establishing what the idea even is.
This is definitely a running theme with ads, in fact there has been multiple instances where I have seen an ad, and despite seeing the entire duration I literally have no idea what was actually been advertised to me haha.
Probably to make you go look it up and get the brand further planted in your mind. Just my hunch.
Yeah definitely, I was thinking it was so you keep watching the ad till the end to work out what it’s for which is in the same vein
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OP I have the 'tism and I have just one thing to say:
You to are propaganda not immune
I propagate not immuna
I propagated with ur mom last night
Foolish lemmings, you only thought you could escape from the endless barrage of advertisement on this obscure technology forum, but over the past 3 months, I have TRICKED you into watching my super awesome movie that I’m currently not allowed to promote in theater!
Nowhere is safe from the masterful marketing techniques of Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie. Nowhere.
Ms Robbie, you’re making a scene
You’re going to have to be way more specific than that, because as an actor, Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie makes a lot of scenes!
Marketing just isn’t adjusted to people with autism because they are only a small part of the population.
They can definitely manipulate you if they so desire.
No, no they can’t esp when I block all ads
I feel like about 4% of all the comments on Lemmy are just people telling each other they use an adblocker
Do you listen to the radio or live in a state with billboards? Do you go anywhere in public? Lots of places you can’t block advertisements…
Dude, you’re talking about people with autism and on lemmy. Do you really think it’s a stretch that they wouldnt leave the house? Most of us left reddit because they stopped letting us browse the way we want with the app we want.
Who tf listens to radio? I haven’t turned the radio on in my car since I got it in 2017. I don’t even know it it works, nor do I care.
The most a billboard has ever gotten from me is an eye roll and cringe. I’m focused on driving or my phone as a passenger. Advertisements do not enter my home or my work.
It’s a huge fucking culture shock when I see an advertisement. People are really out here still sitting through multiple minutes of ads. YouTube ads that will play for hours if you don’t press skip. I didn’t know this shit existed til I saw it on my friends TV and I convinced them to at least pay for YouTube premium.
I do not fuck with ads, my guy. They exist but they don’t exist in my sphere of influence.
Nope live in a small town up in Canada and I use Stingray Music that has no ads and we have no adverts on our streets
Shit, is that why any time I sense the marketing it makes me not want the product??
That’s your mind’s natural immune system fighting BS
As a general rule, if I want it, I seek a good deal. If I am approached, it’s bad deal for me so I avoid.
I was today years old when I found out I was autistic.
Just kidding, I’ve known for years.
Yeah I’m pretending a bit, I’ve been aware for a mere few months now
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Have ADHD with an inability to unfocus from being hyperfocused. I hate ads. I go out of my way to block it and if anything slips through, I mute or just simply turn away.
Funny thing is for work, I’m in marketing/advertising.
I guess missing social cues works out when they’re being manufactured to manipulate you
Advertisement: Attractive woman smiling and putting her arm around a man.
Neurotypical Subconscious: Maybe a nice Seiko watch would make me more attractive?
Autistic Subconscious: I need to remember to schedule my dentist appointment.
For me at least is more accurate to say my mind is thinking"so what is it that makes this watch better than the one I currently have"?
Actual Autistic Subconscious: That girl’s shirt is red, red is the color of blood, blood is somewhat sweet, food is sweet, I should make dinner.
That sounds more like ADD.
FWIW, I’m autistic (officially) and no autistic people I know are right-leaning.
Same. Almost every autist I know who has any interest in politics is very strongly leftist. It’s the sense of justice and disdain for obvious bullshit, I suspect. At least it is for me.
Marketing is a $1/4 TRILLION industry in the US alone because it works. Thinking that you are immune to it for one reason or another is laughable. In fact those that think they are immune to it, probably are the most susceptible to it’s pull.
If not immune then what, how do you explain someone that never bought something he saw in one of the countless ads thrown at him?
never bought
I’d call them a lying sack of shit, quite honestly, because the best marketing is subliminal and can create a desire that you might not notice for a while or in a different environment. You don’t have to click on an ad or immediately jump on Amazon to be affected by marketing. But the fact that you might remember the name of a certtain product when you go to the store and buy that type of cereal or simply yearning for a certain type of phone or shoes or car means that marketing is indeed working on that person.
But the fact that you might remember the name of a certtain product when you go to the store and buy that type of cereal
I would look for the knockoff brand that’s cheaper.
or simply yearning for a certain type of phone or shoes or car
I used to do this when I was younger, but now the things I want are based in pragmatism. I didnt want my Toyota matrix because I saw an ad about how safe and efficient they are; I wanted it because it is statistically one of the most reliable vehicles produced in the last 20 years. I did my reading and looked at data analyses and chose what I wanted based on the facts.
What about the sneakier ways of advertising? Companies sometimes pay people to write reviews, even if they aren’t an influencer. This is because it looks like a “normal person” wrote it, so other people will be more likely to trust it.
You might hear some and not know it, there is a lot of noise in a lot of places. Free samples are also a form of advertising, as the company is paying for them to be given out. It might even be a little sticker on a box of something that you already buy. Grocery flyers are a form of advertising. Someone you know may be advertised to and love the product and recommend it. In that scenario, advertising to them would also affect you, even if you didn’t see or hear an ad. Scary stuff sometimes.
The easiest way to fall for it is to believe you are immune. Believing that you are immune to propaganda usually just eventually leads to letting more things slide. The only way to be sure is to be vigilant. Even then, it’s an odds game.
Those are all obvious and well known methods. Not really sneaky as you seem to think.
Like you say, vigilance.
You only buy the knockoff because your income is constrained. If your income was higher, you would be buying the brand that was advertised to you. Knockoffs are inferior goods, which is a Economics term for something that you buy less of when you have more money.
The ad worked on you because you want that type of item instead of something completely different. For example, an iPhone ad will not just advertise Apple but also smartphones in general. When you see the ad, you are enticed to buy an iPhone instead of an Android. But also you are enticed to buy smartphones in general, instead of a snowmobile. This is called “mindshare” and it is something large companies spend billions on.
Everyone knows Coca Cola exists but they still advertise to remind you. They want you to be thirsty, specifically for Coke, but just generally too.
So if a person sees an iPhone ad and goes and buys an android instead, the iPhone ad still worked on them because “mindshare”?
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact that smartphones are in integral part of daily life for people? Any adult knows they basically need one regardless of any ads they might have seen.
They are broke
It’s not that propaganda doesn’t work on them, I see those types falling for neo-nazi shit all the time because they know how to appeal to them. It’s just that they process the world in a fundamentally different way, so a lot of the psychological tricks that propaganda relies on simply doesn’t work on them. It’s kind of like how the early days of white supremacy had a hard time getting women because all their propaganda played to mysogyny. Once they figured out that they can rewire their hatred of women to be a good thing (the trad wife) that’s when they started jumping on board and really driving their influence into the american culture.
I’m autistic and I’ve always felt I had a certain gullibility. If I’m reading an article, and an argument sounds rational. I’m more likely to fall for it. Even if it contains a ton of bad premises. I’d like to think as I’ve gotten older and more mature, these kinds of things work less on me. But honestly I’m not sure.
I can’t say if I’m autistic or not but I hate reading news from sources I know to be untrustworthy because I still find myself thinking “this sounds correct” until I finish reading and remember it’s 99% bs
I have autistic relatives, and while marketing tricks generally don’t work on them, FOMO and rule of cool absolutely do. My brother is on the spectrum and constantly has to have the latest Apple devices (he can afford to, he’s got a great job and he’s super smart). My dad was too and he was constantly buying any new gadget he saw.
So I don’t remember either of them ever being swayed by a specific commercial or marketing campaign, but a photo and a description could be enough, which is sometimes worse.
On top of that, their microfixations, like my brother’s with Apple, means they spend an inordinate amount of money on the thing they feel is too cool to pass up.
When my father died, he and my mom had a household full of junk- not a huge mess like a hoarder’s house, just a ton of stuff in the attic and garage and closets and so on- and most of it was technology no one would want. Like a keyboard that would put title graphics on a home video designed for CRT TVs. Or the multiple VHS-C and Hi-8 camcorders he bought. Like my brother, he could afford to do it, but what a waste of money.
So while autistic people don’t often get swayed by advertising, they can, in my experience, still spend way too much money on the cool new thing.
