I though “failure” was an absolute term? They obviously aren’t done developing yet, but that doesn’t mean they never will.
I bet they have working prototypes and it comes down to something like power draw being too high. They probably want something that’s at least on par with what Qualcomm has.
And even when the first “retail” version is done, I find it highly unlikely that they put it in the flagship iPhone first. The modem having a bug or other weird behavior in their most popular product would be detrimental. They’ll test it in cellular iPads, or maybe even in MacBooks. If they test it on an iPhone, it’ll probably be on the iPhone SE first.
And after all that, they’ll put it in their flagship iPhones.
It’s a “when”, not an “if”.
Fuck the Verge - they’re on a clickbait march this week.
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Imagine trying to navigate the patent minefield when developing something like a modem
This is the best summary I could come up with:
According to a detailed report from the Wall Street Journal, Apple’s attempt to develop its own in-house 5G modem has been stymied by issues resulting from the iPhone maker underestimating the complexity and technical challenges of the task, and a lack of global leadership to guide the separate development groups siloed in the US and abroad.
“They hate Qualcomm’s living guts,” says Edward Snyder, a wireless industry expert and managing director of Charter Equity Research, in comments reported by the WSJ.
After settling its dispute with Qualcomm in 2019, Apple quickly acquired Intel’s smartphone modem business, along with a few thousand engineers to help advance its development efforts.
That’s why Apple extended its modem deal with Qualcomm — which would have expired at the end of this year — just days before the iPhone 15 was announced.
And while some have lauded Huawei’s HiSilicon chip design business for beating Apple to the punch with the apparent development of its own 5G modem in China’s Mate 60 Pro, lab tests show that Huawei’s chips consume more power than competitors’ and cause the phone “to heat up” which is bad for performance.
Apple’s custom modem work continues, and Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman suggests we’ll likely see them gradually roll out before the current Qualcomm deal expires in 2026.
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I don’t understand this - didn’t Intel have a working cellular modem chip before Apple bought that segment of the businesS? Sure, it wasn’t good, and Intel probably saw that it was going to be difficult but with the amount of money Apple invested in this, starting with a working product, how so they not have a working product?
I think you answered your own question. It wasn’t good. Apple isn’t willing to sacrifice battery life since it has been one of their biggest selling points on the iPhone for years. As far as why they haven’t figured it out yet. It is probably pretty difficult. Intel spent tons of money on it and couldn’t succeed. A chip maker gave up. That should tell you how difficult the process is. The 5G modem industry is basically a monopoly so there are a ton of companies that would be trying if it were easy to do.
How did Huawei do it so well if Apple and Intel struggled?
Drop support for frequency bands and older mobile standards not used in China. Don’t worry about battery life.
Works great for Huawei, no good for Apple.
No I’m talking about the 5g transmitters and receivers they sold in the USA before we banned them
Loads of companies make the tower equipment, including Huawei, Cisco, Nokia… in those cases, size, cool running and low power draw aren’t as important. Apple gives no shits about that part of the industry.
Power draw for cellular tower equipment has become a major concern and product differentiator for mobile operators. I work in telco sector.
AFAIK Apple develops their modem in Germany. The initial effort to get into this market is tremendous. After that it’s incremental improvements, but you must start somewhere.
I can’t find any reviews of the chip itself, just announcements. It is too early to say they succeeded. Also intel did make a 5G modem for phones. It just was a couple of years behind Qualcomm’s chip. There is a good chance that Huawei’s 5G chip will be the same. If you look at the phone they are going to sell with the new 5G chip, it has a main processor that is performing at the standards of two years ago. The 5G modem could be the same way. Furthermore, Huawei could be breaking patents and be fine as long as the phone isn’t sold outside of China. The main difference is that Apple doesn’t want to put a worse 5G modem in their products and can’t pretend that patents don’t exist.
It’s not that surprising. Despite Job’s lies about “patenting” multi touch or whatever, they never developed tech. Most of these silicon valley companies don’t, they staple together tech that’s developed in the public sector and take all the credit and profit.
Edit: I forget that people don’t generally know about this:
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All of the actual tech is public sector. The form factor is a rectangular mini computer around a touchscreen. That wasn’t special either, there were lots of devices that were the same. The thing that made the iPhone “special” was the capacitive touchscreen, which wasn’t a design innovation, but a technological innovation. They put it in a shiny box and sold it to you. The other thing they did was the app store, which was a software repo with a shiny coat of paint that charged money (most software repos up to that point and to this day are free).
The other thing they did was take billions in government grants to start silicon valley. All the big tech giants are a product of goverment spending on private companies to sell us public sector innovations.
If you think the iphone or anything sold to you by a company is special, you’ve been duped by marketing. It’s understandable because they will spend billions of dollars to figure out the best way to make you want their crap, but you were still duped.
Edit 2: Lots of people saying I’m wrong, but nobody actually explaining how. I think you just don’t like being told you were duped.
Strange comment to make about apple of all manufactures.
Where’s the lie?
Claiming Apple doesn’t develop tech is ridiculous, and raising them as an example even more so, because I can’t think of a vendor with higher portion of hardware built in house. You could make an argument for Sony (camera sensors) and Samsung (screens, also Exynos for their phones), but they’re up there.
Yeah, half of the stuff in an iPhone is made by Samsung.
Lol I work in software in The Valley. Trust me, we write this shit.
Yeah, nobody’s saying you don’t write software. This is a history lesson in where the tech comes from.
Even then, a lot of the work done there is stapling together APIs, right? A lot of those APIs are implementations of tech developed, again, in the public sector.
And if you are writing novel stuff, I’d bet good money all the interesting stuff comes from research done in universities, right? Most of the interesting things I’ve ever programmed were based on public sector research.
And even then, the industry got started with public sector money. Maybe your company got its start from VC funding or whatever, but that’s after the whole sector was jump started. Now the big companies in your field don’t pay taxes, in fact a lot of them are paid by your taxes.
I mean, if you want to explain where I’m wrong, go for it. Right now all we have is “trust me”, which is famously strong evidence.
