• @ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml
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      It’s a slow top-down, follow the chain of command, follow policy, follow the chain of custody, vote, protest, violently seize the means of production,

      until we have universal healthcare.

      • mommykink
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        Yeah except almost every other western nation that got universal Healthcare without half of that because their entire government isn’t controlled by rich oligarchs who profit directly from private healthcare.

      • @Zpiritual@lemm.ee
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        Means of production? Shit is produced in china? You mean attack china?

        We have universal healthcare without any of that. Strikes and organisation is the key.

      • @conno02@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        so what you’re saying is that its gotta wait till it trickles down to us then

        (JOKE please for the love of god dont kill me trickledown econ is for the stupid)

  • TWeaK
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    Although senators will benefit from the change by being permitted to sport casual clothes in the Senate chamber, their staffs are still required to wear business clothes under the old dress code. People other than senators who walk on to the Senate floor will also need to wear business attire, which for men means a jacket and a tie.

    One rule for thee but not for me.

      • TechyDad
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        I can understand if they have some important meeting. If some foreign dignitary is going to be stopping by, you’ll want people to dress up. However, this should be the case for Senators and staffers. If it’s just a normal work day, there’s no reason that the staffers can’t go with casual clothing.

        • @bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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          Yeah that’s pretty much what I mean, with this change, the senate is proclaiming that there’s no need for formal dress on a “regular day in the office” (which I 100% agree with), but to make that declaration, while still insisting your staffers stay formal is literally saying “We get to be comfortable because we’re important and rich, and you can stay uncomfortable, because who gives a shit what you want.”

  • @TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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    Dress codes are designed to keep the “wrong people” out. Show up to a DC event and they’ll know you don’t belong by the cut of your suit.

    • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      Dress codes are designed to keep the “wrong people” out. Show up to a DC event and they’ll know you don’t belong by the cut of your suit.

      Or at least, that’s the excuse they’ll use since they can’t forbid entry due to the factors they want to use anymore.

      • @TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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        No that’s literally the purpose of all dress codes. If you don’t fit in you get kicked out, and the most restrictive clubs require clothing that is extremely expensive.

    • @CoderKat@lemm.ee
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      Not just to literally recognize people who don’t belong or to act as a financial barrier. Some of these dress codes I think are there to give a feeling of who belongs. They want people to feel stuff like, “wow, these people are so dressed up and I am never dressed up, so they must be above me”.

      Traditionally, politics has been a thing for the upper class and intertia on such things doesn’t make it easy for them to change. Dress codes in politics is just another way to make the idea of being a politician feel like something only for the upper class. Low and middle class people aren’t supposed to feel like they can be politicians. Politicians aren’t supposed to be too relatable. Even when trying to be relatable, they still often act like they are better than you.

    • @zedhank@lemmy.ml
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      Well yeah, those are for superheroes only. If you don’t have a suit you’re not a superhero.

      • @rmuk@feddit.uk
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        Nonesense. Now, go and spend enough money to buy a week’s food on a long strip of ornate silk and symbolically knot it around your neck like a noose as is demanded by the customs of your corporate masters.

      • @_bug0ut@lemmy.world
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        Seriously. I joke that I specifically became a sysadmin because a T-shirt (and occasional polo), jeans, and sneakers or boots is already formal for me.

        … it’s only partially actually a joke.

        • @winky88@startrek.website
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          21 year ago

          When I was a scrub whose daily tasks involved running eternity cables, supporting warehouse machines, etc. I convinced my boss than business casual was a waste of money unless he wanted to buy my work wardrobe. This was back when I was 20ish, so 23 years ago

          • @_bug0ut@lemmy.world
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            For real - who the hell wants to be commando-crawling through a datacenter in slacks and loafers? Total fucking nonsense.

            I went full remote in early 2018, so now you’d have to put a gun to my head to be in anything more than shorts and a wifebeater while I work. I’m popping into the office this Thursday and for a minute, I was afraid I didn’t have any long jeans left for the occasion lmao

      • TechyDad
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        When I started my current job (over 20 years ago), I dressed in dress pants, a sport jacket, tie, dress shoes, and dress shirt. Over time, I ditched the sport jacket.

        Then COVID hit and I began working from home. Now my work dress is a nice shirt (polo or solid print) and jeans or shorts (depending on the weather). No shoes needed.

        Now, I wouldn’t want to go back to the more formal dress code. Sure, it means that the dozens of cool and geeky ties that I accumulated over the years won’t be used. Still, I’d rather be comfortable and still look professional than be dressy and uncomfortable.

        • @bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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          shoot - that’s still way more dressy than I do for my Work from home lol

          My standard outfit is just a comfy t-shirt (sometimes a tanktop if it’s >100 outside) and either basketball shorts or sweatpants depending on the weather

          • @winky88@startrek.website
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            Anything more than a polo shirt is too fancy for me. Half the time I just stay in my jammies until I need to go somewhere or take a shower.

  • @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    541 year ago

    I’d love to see the moral scolds on the right pipe up about how scandalous this all is, right after Lauren “handy” Qbert was caught on video…

    • @Fedizen@lemmy.world
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      That would run about as well as the nancy pelosi kente cloth. The way you own republicans is by damaging their ability to gatekeep, not by just doing the thing they do but different.

  • @atempuser23@lemmy.world
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    501 year ago

    Everyone will live long enough to regret this. Matt Gates will show up in a thong and a gas mask to protest something and the votes won’t be there to bring things back the old rules.

  • @carl_dungeon@lemmy.world
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    I’m ok with this- who the fuck cares if you have a tie.

    I was all shit and tie when I started my job, and especially after Covid, things have relaxed to just about anything. Sure, I still put on a nice work polo for a client meeting or something, but fuck the suit and tie. If anything, fancy dress code made me way less productive because I was god damned uncomfortable all day. I’m a software engineer and cloud architect- wearing a dress shirt and tie is ridiculous.

    As for our lawmakers, one less thing to distract them from actually reading bills and having productive discussion is a win.

    • wellDuuh
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      181 year ago

      I’m a software engineer and cloud architect

      Knew it 🤣🤣

    • @Fondots@lemmy.world
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      I have a friend who used to work for some big time government IT contractor, he was a tech guy, software engineer or something along those lines. One time they wanted him to go to some meeting, and not that he normally dresses like a slob or anything, but for the meeting he put on like a polo and khakis figuring he should look somewhat professional. They told him to go put a hoodie on because they thought whoever they were meeting with wouldn’t take him seriously as a programmer if he looked too presentable.

      • @theneverfox@pawb.social
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        I’m a programmer, and I like dressing up: I don’t like ties, but I like wearing slacks and a button up shirt - so long as it’s a nice fit, it doesn’t restrict your movement, and there’s a lot of things to subtly stim with - you can roll your sleeves up or rebutton the cuff, you can make your steps clack or silent depending on how you walk, etc. Plus people just treat you differently off the bat, it’s a confidence boost

        After a few years of constantly being told by everyone “you don’t have to dress up, people come here in jeans and a t-shirt” I finally gave in and took the hint

        People just expect good programmers to look aggressively casual these days

    • @agent_flounder@lemmy.one
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      I was all shit and tie

      I think I may have spotted your problem.

      Edit

      PS: I wear shorts or jeans and a tee every day. But oddly enough I also find suits really comfortable, as long as the shirt collar isn’t too tight. And I even kind of like dressing up. Once in a while. Maybe it’s because the laundry routine for a suit is much more of a PITA than tees.

    • Uprise42
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      I work from home and only have a couple meetings where cameras aren’t necessary. Usually explaining how reports are calculated and such.

      I wear pj’s 90% of the time unless I need to leave my house.

    • because I was god damned uncomfortable all day. I’m a software engineer and cloud architect- wearing a dress shirt and tie is ridiculous.

      I had a role for a grand total of six weeks like that. It ended with one of those you can’t fire me because I quit kinda deals.

  • @SCB@lemmy.world
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    I hope this goes to the House too so I can finally see Boebert in her wal mart pajama pants

  • @girltwink@lemmy.world
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    This is part of a slow trend towards powerful people dressing casually to differentiate themselves from the less powerful people who work for them. Historically, trends like this have been set by the elite and are then emulated by people trying to convince others that they are elite. This is the beginning of the end of formal wear in the United States. Soon a suit will mean “i work at a hotel”.

    • @hibsen@lemmy.world
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      Hence this part, perhaps?

      Although senators will benefit from the change by being permitted to sport casual clothes in the Senate chamber, their staffs are still required to wear business clothes under the old dress code. People other than senators who walk on to the Senate floor will also need to wear business attire, which for men means a jacket and a tie.

      Rules for thee, not for me.

    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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      The president of Chile wears a Tool t shirt and Zelenskyy is basically always in olive drab. The time of the suit is past.

      • @Neve8028@lemm.ee
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        Honestly doubt anyone will vote differently because of attire. If anything, the conservative commentators will say that the Dems are being lazy and undignified if they aren’t wearing suits. We’ll probably see most senators continuing to dress formally anyways because it’s a symbol of power.

    • FuglyDuck
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      Well, the formal wear will just shift- to over priced hoodies and stuff

    • I don’t think so. I think this time is different. At some point the leadership was no longer the trendsetters. I am not going to buy a certain shirt because I saw Biden or Bezos wearing it. I might if someone I think is actually cool did. Maybe we just aren’t some weird pyramid society anymore.