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    By financial system they still mean a swift/Cips/sfms/spfs alternative?

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      They mean a supranational currency aimed at transforming international trade settlement that sounds very similar to the idea of Bancor that Keynes proposed. The key idea is to establish a common unit of account and clearing system for international transactions. This would prevent the dominance of national currencies in international trade, promoting a more equitable financial system that’s not dominated by the currency of any single country.

      This concept would tackle persistent trade imbalances by incentivizing countries to maintain balanced trade, as excessive surpluses or deficits would incur penalties. The idea also has potential to enhance financial stability by countering speculative capital flows that often destabilized exchange rates and caused financial crises.

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        They should start thinking of a plug and play system similar to activity pub for all that finance old fashioned system

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          That’s sort of what Bancor is, in programming terms you can think of it as a common protocol that you can adapt your currency to, and then it can be used with anybody who’s also implementing this protocol.

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            I wonder what kind of discussions take place when they implement these kind protocols (thinking of swift):

            • we want to avoid dirty money banks? No, that’s ok
            • we decide who can enter this network based on the fee they’ll pay
            • we have to crush any competitors in the world, we’ll deal all transactions, it’s not that complicated, little effort for big control
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              I think the interesting part with the Bancor approach is that it would avoid a lot of these problems since it’s strictly a settlement currency.

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      Nobody trusts China’s economic stats.

      Except the IMF, World Bank, Moody, Standard and Poor, etc.

      Meanwhile, Bitcoin

      lol

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          They don’t trust it, they just have no other figures to work off.

          That’s why they publish it. Not like there are (western adaptations of) the Li Keqiang Index

          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-16/china-is-hiding-more-and-more-data-from-the-rest-of-the-world

          1. At least have the decency to post the archive link https://archive.md/sgBQK
          2. Youth unemployment in the article:

          Calculating the actual employment rate is complex and it’s plausible the government decided the changing nature of the economy and labor patterns means their current model isn’t accurately reflecting reality.

          Obtuse way to say that the category 16-24 olds are studying and not part of the labour force

          1. Landsales: Communists don’t like speculation with real estate and land. Shocker. Not like they’ve been announcing a shift away from real estate to EV/Solar Panels/etc.
          2. Currency Reserves, Bond Transactions, Academic Information, Politicians’ Biographies:

          President Xi Jinping’s ideological battle with the US has also motivated Beijing to ringfence data it believes could advantage the Biden administration.

          Based.

          A 15 year trend of growth on average no matter how you measure it: market cap, number of nodes, transaction volume, transaction capacity, etc.

          If you think that’s the critique of bitcoin then you have been blinded by techbros optimizim on the tech. Also it’s funny how you wave away bitcoin using up 1% of global electricity usage lol

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          yeah but whats stopping rich people from working together to get 60% of the network and then change things as they deem fit?

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      Doesn’t bitcoins blockchain use some sort of consensus algorithm, so if one party has more than 50% of the compute power they control everything?

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    So that if (hopefully not when) China invades Taiwan, they won’t get hit with sanctions as bad as Russia did.

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      Omfg the brain rot it takes to write this.

      1. China has repeatedly stated that they have zero intention of invading their own island and killing their own countrymen. It’s only Americans that keep repeating this lie that China wants to invade Taiwan.

      2. Russia has been placed under the most comprehensive sanctions in moderns history, including the USA seizing assets in violation of established sanction rules, and Russia’s economy is growing in both absolute and globay relative terms, while Russia’s military is larger than before the SMO started and still out producing the entire Western MIC combined.

      3. Meanwhile, the USA has attempted to engage in economic warfare with China and has lost every single time. China continues to dominate the top ~50 hi tech research areas, continues to outpace every Western nation on all meaningful economic growth rates include financial, purchasing power, infrastructure development, etc.

      There is no world outside of the USA propaganda cesspool where your comment even remotely matches reality.

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        Keep typing this shit up, very good use of your time.

        Remember: the actions of these countries speak louder than any words.

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          If the actions of a country is what you’re going to judge them by, it blows my mind that you would trust literally anything the USA says about anything going on in the world.

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              USA is the only one saying China wants to invade Taiwan and they’re the only who are saying sanctions are harming Russia.

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                It’s pretty easy to find direct reports from the Taiwanese government being reported?

                TAIPEI, May 15 (Reuters) - China’s military has sailed and flown closer to Taiwan in recent weeks than it has before, and staged mock attacks on foreign vessels ahead of the inauguration of the island’s next president on Monday, according to Taiwanese government reports.

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                  Most of the world agrees that:

                  1. There is only one China
                  2. Taiwan is a part of China
                  3. The Communist Party of China is the legitimate recognized government of China

                  So what’s the problem here?

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                  You mean China is doing military exercises in it’s own territory? Wild! I wonder if Alaska should be worried about the USA invading it. What do you think?

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                  No no no that doesn’t count you see Taiwanese “government” ist just proxy of American dogs God bless

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      Look at Russia’s economic growth in spite of the sanctions.

      There’s a world economy outside US control and it is only growing. Where do you think the inflation is coming from?

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        That’s the thing about a war time economy, you produce one tank, and BOOM you’ve added $3.5MM to your GDP. A single SU-35? About 16MM added to GDP.

        You can’t eat tanks and jets though, the labor and resources used to maintain a war footing are vast, and must be poached from other areas of the economy. The longer you maintain this posture, the more dramatic the contraction.

        Gazprom posted a loss for the first time in decades. They sell one of the most profitable substances ever discovered by man and they still couldn’t turn a profit… despite how little the sanctions are impacting them, no less!

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          The military industry is around 6% of Russian economy, it’s not a war time economy LMFAO. By contrast, by the end of WW2, around 40% of US economy was devoted to the military. That’s what an actual war time economy looks like. It’s absolutely hilarious how people just keep parroting this nonsense without thinking about it even for a second.

          The main reason for such rapid growth of Russian economy is due to the fact that decoupling from the west created a lot of economic niches to be filled. Meanwhile, the west effectively doing capital controls for Russia forced the oligarchs to invest their money domestically.

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        Russia is in for a harsh wakeup when the Ukrainian war ends (or in 2026 if the war is still ongoing IMO). Their economy is “looking good” right now only because it has been switched to a war economy, and the Kremlin injects tons of cash in it, but lots of it isn’t useful for the russians, it’s just getting destroyed in the war.

        Also the ruble is close to a dead currency, nobody wants to trade in it any more.

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        Turning tanks in a storage base into tanks destroyed in Ukraine is not economic growth, dispite what gdp would indicate.