IDK man is this one of those things where as an American I grew up with like super processed chocolate and regular chocolate would just taste strange to me?
Funny enough, I also grew up on super processed chocolate, and I thought I just didn’t like chocolate that much, until I got some real chocolate when I was a teen.
In an upper middle class european family I often ate swiss chocolate and once my dad went to the us and bought some hersheys for us to taste. / It was like 2 girls one cup in my mouth for my refined european taste buds /s
ok this conversation was about butter if you fucking come at Hershey’s imma throw hands (I dont like cadburry’s but I dont try to make people feel bad about it!!) lindt is pretty dope. for a second I thought I liked ritter sport but realized nope.
I understand hershey’s isnt for everyone and if you dont grow up with it you may not think much of it. however, because I detect you are a gentleman and are wise of the ways of the world: I implore you to try Hershey’s nuggets w/ almonds, hershey’s w/ almonds or even a Mr. Goodbar (which is just hershey’s w/ peanuts).
The difference isn’t even really noticeable in most dishes.
If you are doing something where butter is a main component you can use it to finish off your dish for some extra texture mostly. It’s just more creamy out of the box.
For anything pan fried or where “tasting butter” is a component the vast majority of folks couldn’t pass a blind taste test reliably at all.
Also, regular dark chocolate is garbage and more of this smugness. If you want 98% dark chocolate bitter shit, fine. But don’t let smug redditors and lemmy lounge lizards bully you into liking sweet chocolate. Same with American beer, we have some of the worlds best. It’s all gatekeeping smugness.
The American chocolate thing isn’t about chocolate %. An American came up with a process to help preserve the dairy, however this creates an amount of butyric acid as a bi-product. Completely fine health wise, but the only time a normal person would otherwise encounter butyric acid is when vomiting. Its largely responsible for the iconic taste and smell associated with vomit. So for people that didn’t grow up eating American chocolate, American chocolate literally tastes like vomit.
American here - Irish/French butter is the clear winner for buttered bread.
Unfortunately found out I can’t eat anything with gluten, and rice based bread and other similar garbage doesn’t absorb properly, so it’s not longer something I get to enjoy.
Funnily enough, when I visited the US, it was the beer that was utter shit, but otherwise I really liked the food in most places I visited.
Okay I had one or two good beers too, but I actually like lagers and pilsners (Urquell being my favourite), but the Yuengling that a local acquainteance really wanted me to try, felt disgusting.
Oh, don’t get me wrong - Budweiser/Coors/Michelob etc. are all awful. However, most US states have good local breweries and craft beers. Lagers are generally not as popular as IPAs, but you can still get good ones. Admittedly, this varies quite a bit depending on where you are in the US.
The difference is subtle and not noticeable to most people. You’ll do better in your testing and get better results switching to salted butter for things like toast. The difference just isn’t that big.
You misunderstood the situation. Imagine someone flew to Finland had a can of kalakukko then went off for the rest of their life that all of the EU has dog shit food and is a cultural hellhole.
Exactly. People aren’t taking issue with the idea that their country’s product compares poorly to another country’s product, it’s that some random person’s random encounters are enough to make that judgement. Sweeping generalizations very often do more harm than good.
What’s also amusing is how people sometimes understandably, but mistakenly, display the out-group homogeniety bias in their thinking and believe they’re scoring a win in some national pride pissing contest they started themselves
Lololol we have EU style butter. It’s in every supermarket. It’s two different tools. Not my problem heathens don’t know how to cook or haven’t actually experienced food outside your Internet bubble.
Such as? I’m not at all a beer gourmet and don’t particularly dislike American beer (not even the light variants) but I’ve been to multiple states and never got a beer I considered top notch.
For example I’ve been to Florida just recently and apparently IPA is the shit nowadays. Didn’t like a single one of them, they all tasted artificial.
Edit: Also, I hope your bar for European beer isn’t stuff like Heineken or Beck’s. They are not bad but pretty basic stuff sold worldwide. Nobody in Europe considers those particularly great.
Sounds like you are probably going to generic restaurants and ordering mass produced IPAs and getting our version of becks. I can happily suggest a fantastic beer if you want to give me your style of choice.
As both and American and a lover of Belgian ales, I’d be inclined to agree that we almost certainly don’t have better beer than you (or I) would prefer. We do have some excellent beer, but the focus is on other styles.
German beer hasn’t been relevant in the competition scene in 10 years. The French and Dutch carry the Belgium scene. Id put our best up against the Belgium best any day and have mixed results depending on category.
IDK man is this one of those things where as an American I grew up with like super processed chocolate and regular chocolate would just taste strange to me?
Funny enough, I also grew up on super processed chocolate, and I thought I just didn’t like chocolate that much, until I got some real chocolate when I was a teen.
God, Hershey’s tastes like pain and sadness.
In an upper middle class european family I often ate swiss chocolate and once my dad went to the us and bought some hersheys for us to taste. / It was like 2 girls one cup in my mouth for my refined european taste buds /s
It’s got that vomit aftertaste
Butyric Acid
I think you meant wax. Hersheys tastes like wax.
Nah man, I’ve eaten those wax candies with the goo inside, they’re awful, but Hershey’s is several steps below.
ok this conversation was about butter if you fucking come at Hershey’s imma throw hands (I dont like cadburry’s but I dont try to make people feel bad about it!!) lindt is pretty dope. for a second I thought I liked ritter sport but realized nope. I understand hershey’s isnt for everyone and if you dont grow up with it you may not think much of it. however, because I detect you are a gentleman and are wise of the ways of the world: I implore you to try Hershey’s nuggets w/ almonds, hershey’s w/ almonds or even a Mr. Goodbar (which is just hershey’s w/ peanuts).
I think I’ll just stick to any chocolate that isn’t Hershey’s.
Chocolate is a big one.
I’m talking specifically big brands, not chocolatiers, but something like Hershey’s is absurd.
American chocolate is way too crumbly and oil-without-flavor with some weird mustiness; pretty much every country has better chocolate than the US.
American to international chocolate is like ketchup on a tortilla compared to a gourmet pizza.
The difference isn’t even really noticeable in most dishes.
If you are doing something where butter is a main component you can use it to finish off your dish for some extra texture mostly. It’s just more creamy out of the box.
For anything pan fried or where “tasting butter” is a component the vast majority of folks couldn’t pass a blind taste test reliably at all.
Also, regular dark chocolate is garbage and more of this smugness. If you want 98% dark chocolate bitter shit, fine. But don’t let smug redditors and lemmy lounge lizards bully you into liking sweet chocolate. Same with American beer, we have some of the worlds best. It’s all gatekeeping smugness.
The American chocolate thing isn’t about chocolate %. An American came up with a process to help preserve the dairy, however this creates an amount of butyric acid as a bi-product. Completely fine health wise, but the only time a normal person would otherwise encounter butyric acid is when vomiting. Its largely responsible for the iconic taste and smell associated with vomit. So for people that didn’t grow up eating American chocolate, American chocolate literally tastes like vomit.
On the contrary, it’s also the delicious tang in Parmesan cheese. American chocolate tastes as much like vomit as real Parmesan cheese does
As a cooking ingredient, maybe, but if you’re using butter on toast, bread, etc. then Irish/French/British butter is clearly better.
Also, the superiority of European chocolate isn’t to do with the cocoa content or the sweetness - it’s just creamier and has a smoother texture.
I’ll agree with you on the beer, though.
American here - Irish/French butter is the clear winner for buttered bread.
Unfortunately found out I can’t eat anything with gluten, and rice based bread and other similar garbage doesn’t absorb properly, so it’s not longer something I get to enjoy.
Still. Irish butter is my personal preferred.
Funnily enough, when I visited the US, it was the beer that was utter shit, but otherwise I really liked the food in most places I visited.
Okay I had one or two good beers too, but I actually like lagers and pilsners (Urquell being my favourite), but the Yuengling that a local acquainteance really wanted me to try, felt disgusting.
Oh, don’t get me wrong - Budweiser/Coors/Michelob etc. are all awful. However, most US states have good local breweries and craft beers. Lagers are generally not as popular as IPAs, but you can still get good ones. Admittedly, this varies quite a bit depending on where you are in the US.
The difference is subtle and not noticeable to most people. You’ll do better in your testing and get better results switching to salted butter for things like toast. The difference just isn’t that big.
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You misunderstood the situation. Imagine someone flew to Finland had a can of kalakukko then went off for the rest of their life that all of the EU has dog shit food and is a cultural hellhole.
Exactly. People aren’t taking issue with the idea that their country’s product compares poorly to another country’s product, it’s that some random person’s random encounters are enough to make that judgement. Sweeping generalizations very often do more harm than good.
What’s also amusing is how people sometimes understandably, but mistakenly, display the out-group homogeniety bias in their thinking and believe they’re scoring a win in some national pride pissing contest they started themselves
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Lololol we have EU style butter. It’s in every supermarket. It’s two different tools. Not my problem heathens don’t know how to cook or haven’t actually experienced food outside your Internet bubble.
Such as? I’m not at all a beer gourmet and don’t particularly dislike American beer (not even the light variants) but I’ve been to multiple states and never got a beer I considered top notch.
For example I’ve been to Florida just recently and apparently IPA is the shit nowadays. Didn’t like a single one of them, they all tasted artificial.
Edit: Also, I hope your bar for European beer isn’t stuff like Heineken or Beck’s. They are not bad but pretty basic stuff sold worldwide. Nobody in Europe considers those particularly great.
Sounds like you are probably going to generic restaurants and ordering mass produced IPAs and getting our version of becks. I can happily suggest a fantastic beer if you want to give me your style of choice.
As a belgian, America having some of the best beer sounds like cope to me when belgium, germany, czechia exist
As both and American and a lover of Belgian ales, I’d be inclined to agree that we almost certainly don’t have better beer than you (or I) would prefer. We do have some excellent beer, but the focus is on other styles.
German beer hasn’t been relevant in the competition scene in 10 years. The French and Dutch carry the Belgium scene. Id put our best up against the Belgium best any day and have mixed results depending on category.
Never had anything from czechia though, no clue.