Biden actually gained a point since last month’s survey, which was taken before the debate. In this poll, he leads Trump 50% to 48% in a head-to-head matchup. But Biden slips when third-party options are introduced, with Trump holding the slightest advantage with 43% to 42%.
Those numbers, though, do not represent statistically significant differences, as the margin of error in the survey is +/- 3.1 percentage points, meaning results could be 3 points higher or lower.
The poll also found that, at this point, no other mainstream Democrat who has been mentioned as a replacement for the president on the ticket does better than Biden.
The results reflect the hyperpolarized political environment in the country and the reality that both of the major parties’ presumptive nominees bring with them significant disadvantages. Majorities of those surveyed continue to say they have a negative opinion of both men, and neither, they say, should be on the ballot at all.
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Yeah, but some people require a pulse…
So we can run the corpse, and hope that’s enough to stop trump.
Or we can run someone with a pulse, hell, even a functional competent adult.
And we’ll keep all of those corpse voters, and gain even more Dem voters
So shouldn’t we run the non-corpse candidate?
Like, more votes is better…
That might be true, but
Let’s compare it to a foot race
Biden is wearing all the latest gear. Has been training for a year, and has an entire support team.
He runs it in a minute
Which is about the same as these five people we pulled off the street who didn’t know they were running 2 seconds ago. They didn’t even stop to stretch, just ran
We have 4 months to the big race.
Why stick with the person who “topped out” is just as good as people who legitimately haven’t even tried?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to pick one and train them up for the next four months?
Like, you get that right? Biden isn’t turning this around. The best he can do is maintain.
That is a decent point, I think there’s also an argument that if/when those candidates do stop to stretch (so to speak) they might suddenly tear an ACL or whatever. Like the undecided voter who’s never heard of Kamala or Gavin or Gretchen or whoever might hate them when they get to know them.
Ultimately, I think we’d get very similar policy out of a Biden term 2 or Harris/Newsome/Whitmer term 1, so I don’t really care who it is so long as they can beat Trump, and I think it’s still hard to say who can best do that (although the fact that the answer to that question isn’t “the incumbent, duh” really underscores what a completely idiotic and deeply frustrating choice Biden was in 2020 for me, and I hope everyone who supported him in that primary understands how badly they fucked all of us).
Right…
And lots of people closer to Biden than either of us will ever be are saying he can’t beat trump.
And the more the public sees him. The less voters want him.
He is historically unpopular, and this was his first press conference in almost a year. There just isn’t a path for Biden to improve, or he’d have taken it by now. It’s not like this election came out of nowhere, the best campaign plan him and his team could come up with. Was to fucking hide him until it was too late to change candidates.
In 2024, this is peak Biden, there’s no where to go but down.
9/10 for the analogy. Needed more descriptions. No fats, jacks or malarkey. Corn-pop should have been a runner. He deserved it. He lost all his street cred after his encounter with Biden. He manages a Radio Shack now. I know, shocked me too.
Do those people want a Democratic president but believe Trump would be better than Kamala? Do they believe the Republican platform (ie end democracy and reform as an authoritarian theocracy) is better than the Democratic platform on any particular issue?
People aren’t rational. We’re bags of meat with feelings.
You want to go convince 100 million Americans?
Or run someone they’re willing to vote for so we stop trump?
At this point it legitimately doesn’t matter why Biden is so unpopular, or even why he’s unable to change that even with billions of dollars.
What matters is winning the election
I agree. Which is why I didn’t mention Biden. I don’t care who the Democratic nominee is at this point. I am voting for them. And the people saying they can’t vote for Biden because he old need to reconcile that if they’re not voting for the Democratic nominee then they get Trump and Project 2025 bringing fascism full force. Kamala is t Biden, she has a pulse, she’s presumptively on the Democratic ticket. They can vote for her instead of for Biden. They can tell themselves they’re voting for the platform and not for Biden. Just as long as they vote for the Democratic ticket.
Then what the fuck were you even trying to say:
I’m saying don’t think of it as voting for Biden. Think of it as voting for the Democratic platform, to defeat the Republican platform. If a voter is more aligned with the Dem. platform but not voting for the Democratic nominee if it’s Biden, they’re just not understanding the reality of how our elections work.
More likely they won’t show up to vote.