• @RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world
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    145 months ago

    Yeah 1.5 is fucked. But we can still limit it under 2.0 or 2.5. Yes it is fucking horrific. But 1.5 does not mean everyone suddenly drops dead.

    Also, the world isnt the US. Improvements are happening on a smaller scale. Some countries getting almost all energy through solar and wind.

    Green energy becoming cheaper than fossil fuel.

    Is it enough? Fuck no. But im not letting you cunts hop in with corporations and push the pedal to the metal.

    Stop ignoring all the positive things happening to fix the climate. You are putting other people off helping with your doomer shit.

    • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      35 months ago

      But we can still limit it under 2.0 or 2.5.

      Unless I’m talking to a CEO of a major bank or Fortune 100 fossil fuel firm, “we” cannot.

      • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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        -15 months ago

        You talk to politicians. Politicians talk to (or coerce) CEOs.

        We can’t trust companies to get us out of this, but government is (or should be) stronger than companies, and government is (or should be) working for US.

        • archomrade [he/him]
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          15 months ago

          And CEOs pledge campaign contributions and lobbying efforts to delay regulations against their corporate interests

          Government should be the counter balance to private interests, but in a capitalistic system they act in tandem.

          • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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            15 months ago

            Only if you cede too much power to corporations.

            You’re acting like just because that’s the way it IS, that’s also the way it MUST BE. Power can and should reside with the people. If corporations Obstruct that, they should be set aside. If they bribe politicians, those politicians should be removed. These are all solvable problems, but that’s more difficult than sitting back and crying “we’re doomed, abandon all hope”.

            • archomrade [he/him]
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              15 months ago

              Only if you cede too much power to corporations.

              This is almost exactly the problem, except I think liberals tend to conceive power as independent from ‘capital’, which is its primary shortfall.

              We’ve already allowed capital to accumulate into too few hands, and now in order to rein them back in a government has to be sufficiently determined as to allow our national economic structures to be damaged in order to rectify it. A handful of companies are responsible the majority of our economic activity, threatening them too severely risks sending our financial instruments into a downward spiral.

              There’s reason to be pessimistic about the state of things, but I agree it’s not hopeless.