• @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    People in Hamas leadership positions like Ghazi Hamad

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazi_Hamad#Dialogue_with_G._Baskin_(Israel)

    It sounds like Hamad has been instrumental in back channeling communications with the Israeli government. Also looks like he wasn’t in Gaza during the Al Aqsa Flood. Is he ignoring his neighbors’ suffering by reestablishing dialogue with his Israeli colleague and trying to end the hostilities? Or was he supposed to fling himself onto the bayonets at the Israel-Lebanon border after Gaza was sealed off by the Israelis?

    I don’t give a rats’ ass about Israel’s lies and deception

    You’re citing an article from the NYPost, so you clearly don’t mind at least a little bit of their lies and deception. You’ve picked out a guy who appears to be some kind of underground media publisher, amateur medic, and glorified border guard as a party leader and a “monster”.

    Is there anything you’re citing more monstrous than his hatred of Israel?

    But make no mistake, just like there are hardcore religious evangelicals in the US there are emboldened religious warmongerers in Palestine

    To my knowledge, hardcore religious evangelicals in the US aren’t traditionally kettled in an open air prison and subject to targeted assassinations on the whims of New Atheist military commanders. I’m willing to give a guy like David Koresh a bit of leeway in his hatred of the American government, if for no other reason than the FBI surrounded his house and killed a dozen of his friends. I have significantly less sympathy for your Jerry Falwell Jrs and your James Dobsons.

    I’ve got a family friend who lost 23 members of her immediate family in the course of a weekend, when the Israeli government began its carpet bombing of Gaza City. If she went into a full blown Mein Kempf rant after that, I could hardly blame her. But to claim she’s somehow a warmonger for hating the people who obliterated half her family tree?

    Did we hold Americans to that standard after 9/11?

    • Rentlar
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      15 months ago

      You wanted names of someone spouting violent rhetoric on the Palestinian side, I gave you one. Has nothing to do with UNWRA, World Kitchen, MSF or journalists. All reasons and justification are set aside.

      Many did protest the disproportionate response to 9/11, and Americans still face many repercussions today in the privacy of their daily lives.

      I agree with you on what you’re saying. In my eyes the Israeli military’s actions are very, very far from justifiable at this point in time. I’ll remind you that it has been 8 months from when I wrote the original comment in October, before the WCK event in April, UNRWA defunding in January and several bombings of refugee camps between November and May. I don’t see a reason to continue to have an argument over this.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        15 months ago

        You wanted names of someone spouting violent rhetoric

        I did not ask for that at all. You substituted him in because he’s the worst person you could find with a Google search.

        • Rentlar
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          5 months ago

          I did not ask for that at all.

          Who, specifically, in Hamas leadership is a monster? Name some names.

          I apologize if I interpreted this question from you incorrectly. I’d tried to respond in good faith to you in this months old thread, but after 3 argumentative replies my patience has run thin. Have a good day.