Linux will never be a home operating system for most people. It will not even come close to windows or Mac. It is not user friendly, it is not supported by the VAST majority of home use software and it has too many distros. No one wants to get with an OS when the first question is which version. The learning curve is too steep and when stuff goes wrong it is way harder to find and solve.
It’s nice that yall like it but the amount of forceful shoving of Linux on lemmy is hysterical knowing how no one listens.
There’s no harm in telling people about Linux though. The majority of people who can figure out the fediverse probably have the requisite technical skills to figure out Linux. Yeah I agree it’ll never be a home OS for most people, but also many homes don’t even have a PC at all anymore.
This, today PC means laptop, that’s what almost everyone who has a PC uses, most people do with just a tablet though. 95% of the garbage people use the internet for can be done on a mid range smart phone. The people who need high powered desktop devices or use them for entertainment are already a minority in the market for computing devices. The largest chunk of OS marketshare is decided by business purchases, not individual PC owners.
There is a large difference between telling someone and then getting mass downvoting anyone who dares oppose Linux while throwing a hissyfit and claiming that Linux is the greatest thing since oxygen. Lemmy is on the latter, not the former.
My post (on my other lemmy account before I switched this one to my main) sharing a video by a youtuber that said some open source software was badly designed in terms of UI and how it could be improved received so much hostility that I got fed up and ended up deleting it
It wasn’t even a negative video, my post wasn’t even negative
What was the point of sharing it if people just react hostile towards it even though you shared it in good faith
The bad design with some open source software is why I don’t use some of them and why I haven’t installed Linux as a dual boot operating system yet
I use blender and krita because they have good designs with the gui and its catered towards the user using the software in this case creatives
Gimp however and other badly designed open source software don’t cater GUI towards the user demographics that would be using them
This kind of self-fulfilling prophecy is what will drive down even more support for Linux. The thing we need to do right now is to let more people try out Linux so that corporations will see Linux as a potential target on the desktop and make products for Linux, not the opposite like what you are saying.
Agreed, I don’t get the argument for using Linux beyond vague “windows bad” hand waving. Frankly, having to use computers probably every hour of my waking life for work and entertainment, I find nothing wrong with windows, or Mac OS. Or iOS or iPad OS beyond just the idiosyncratic annoyances each OS brings to the table. Is there any tangible reason Linux is superior to all the other OSs out there beyond it being open source? Also how is being open spurce objectively a benefit?
Privacy/no data mining is (frankly) a huge deal and a major problem in modern society is that this is not valued at all. To me, this is really analogous to the climate crisis in the sense that we’ve known about the impending climate crisis for decades and no one valued it till we got to the point of no return/crisis point. I really cannot emphasise enough what a big deal it is to value your data/information/privacy.
Other than that, Linux really is a functional OS and there will be other benefits like multiple desktop styles to choose from, the possibility to do more advanced things if you need to (if learn how), the OS is virus-free, better performance (because the computer doesn’t need to work so hard on your OS and can spend that energy on other things), giving life to old hardware that Windows no longer supports (and saving your money as well as the planet from thr e-waste), the importance of an alternative choice so the market is not monopolised by predator corporate giants. There will be loads more benefits, but those are a few to begin with.
For me windows uses 3-5gb of ram on idle just after starting up. This is pretty consistent across multiple computers for me. On the same computers (I dual-boot on both my laptop and desktop) Linux idles at about 800mb-1.2gb. This was even true on KDE which was one of the “heavier” feature-rich desktop environments. I think Gnome might have been 1.5gb ish but I haven’t used in a while. Either way, it used way less RAM than my windows installs which could noticeably impact some resource intensive programs like blender or davinci resolve
As someone with decision paralysis and executive dysfunction issues, this is true for me. I’m probably more than capable of using it for a daily driver but there are 5000 flavors and I will likely never be able to make a solid choice until one is obviously vastly superior in some way I need.
Why recommend Gnome as a windows alternative? Surely KDE is a much better option if you’re trying to make a windows user feel more familiar with the interface.
I’m a KDE user right now. While I love KDE, I find that it breaks way too easily when you customize it. And there’s way,way too many customization options to a point that it becomes overwhelming. I can waste hours trying to customize something, roll back, break KDE, reset my KDE environment, try again, etc. And between KDE users, the desktop will almost never be the same which can lead to issues when they ask for support from a friend or something.
In gnome, what you see is what you get. You can just focus on your work or your activity. And because there’s less customisation options, you get pretty much the same desktop experience across multiple users. So if I go to a friend’s place and they also it Ubuntu with Gnome, I’m almost certain to have the same desktop experience as mine
My Ubuntu on a SBC for a workshop just killed itself on Monday. Had it for a few months, new SBC, fresh Ubuntu install, 0 customization, just using it occasionally for Chromium. It popped up a new version -Minotaur or something- was out, so I said sure upgrade. It gave an error for bash near the end, then bricked itself. Now i gotta dig out SD cards and find a new distro.
Well that’s like a single anecdotal experience out of hundreds of thousands who had no problem. And it’s more probable to run into problems when using non-LTS versions.
You are wrong. The reason that linux isn’t popularvis that windows comes preinstalled in computers and most people don’t know how to install an operating system pet along what an operating system is. Linux is dead easy nowadays, ao.much that my tech illiterate parents can use it, spread misinformation elsewhere
Linux will never be a home operating system for most people. It will not even come close to windows or Mac. It is not user friendly, it is not supported by the VAST majority of home use software and it has too many distros. No one wants to get with an OS when the first question is which version. The learning curve is too steep and when stuff goes wrong it is way harder to find and solve.
It’s nice that yall like it but the amount of forceful shoving of Linux on lemmy is hysterical knowing how no one listens.
Damn.
31 flavors and you choose to be salty…
Hey. Blame OP. They asked. I wouldn’t have said shit otherwise
I know, Tom.
The discussions on Lemmy were exactly what made me try out Linux, and now I’m an avid Linux’er. +1 for Linux.
There’s no harm in telling people about Linux though. The majority of people who can figure out the fediverse probably have the requisite technical skills to figure out Linux. Yeah I agree it’ll never be a home OS for most people, but also many homes don’t even have a PC at all anymore.
The problem is when people get militant and / or hostile about it
This, today PC means laptop, that’s what almost everyone who has a PC uses, most people do with just a tablet though. 95% of the garbage people use the internet for can be done on a mid range smart phone. The people who need high powered desktop devices or use them for entertainment are already a minority in the market for computing devices. The largest chunk of OS marketshare is decided by business purchases, not individual PC owners.
So what you’re saying is, most people already run Linux (or BSD) on their main computing device.
The most sold computing device on the planet are Android smartphones. Android is a flavor of Linux.
That’s what I was trying to say.
There is a large difference between telling someone and then getting mass downvoting anyone who dares oppose Linux while throwing a hissyfit and claiming that Linux is the greatest thing since oxygen. Lemmy is on the latter, not the former.
My recent unpopular opinion post on this topic was controversial
https://lemmy.world/post/15869915
My post (on my other lemmy account before I switched this one to my main) sharing a video by a youtuber that said some open source software was badly designed in terms of UI and how it could be improved received so much hostility that I got fed up and ended up deleting it
It wasn’t even a negative video, my post wasn’t even negative
What was the point of sharing it if people just react hostile towards it even though you shared it in good faith
The bad design with some open source software is why I don’t use some of them and why I haven’t installed Linux as a dual boot operating system yet
I use blender and krita because they have good designs with the gui and its catered towards the user using the software in this case creatives
Gimp however and other badly designed open source software don’t cater GUI towards the user demographics that would be using them
This kind of self-fulfilling prophecy is what will drive down even more support for Linux. The thing we need to do right now is to let more people try out Linux so that corporations will see Linux as a potential target on the desktop and make products for Linux, not the opposite like what you are saying.
Me: Linux won’t work because Linux people push it too hard despite it having multiple downsides in comparison to the more widely used OS
You: NO, YOU JUST NEED TO USE LINUX
You: “Linux will never be a popular OS.”
Him: “I think it actually can be if we --”
You: “WERE YOU NOT LISTENING?!”
It’s fitting that you used a gif of Riker before he grew the beard.
Funny how I literally quoted the part of my post that was relevant and you still blindly ignored it. Blind subservience… Gotta be a Linux fanboy
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Agreed, I don’t get the argument for using Linux beyond vague “windows bad” hand waving. Frankly, having to use computers probably every hour of my waking life for work and entertainment, I find nothing wrong with windows, or Mac OS. Or iOS or iPad OS beyond just the idiosyncratic annoyances each OS brings to the table. Is there any tangible reason Linux is superior to all the other OSs out there beyond it being open source? Also how is being open spurce objectively a benefit?
Privacy/no data mining is (frankly) a huge deal and a major problem in modern society is that this is not valued at all. To me, this is really analogous to the climate crisis in the sense that we’ve known about the impending climate crisis for decades and no one valued it till we got to the point of no return/crisis point. I really cannot emphasise enough what a big deal it is to value your data/information/privacy.
Other than that, Linux really is a functional OS and there will be other benefits like multiple desktop styles to choose from, the possibility to do more advanced things if you need to (if learn how), the OS is virus-free, better performance (because the computer doesn’t need to work so hard on your OS and can spend that energy on other things), giving life to old hardware that Windows no longer supports (and saving your money as well as the planet from thr e-waste), the importance of an alternative choice so the market is not monopolised by predator corporate giants. There will be loads more benefits, but those are a few to begin with.
It also has downsides (as mentioned above).
Doesn’t it use less system resources?
When Windows 10 isn’t supported anymore, better to use Linux than have an unsecure computer or buy a new computer.
For me windows uses 3-5gb of ram on idle just after starting up. This is pretty consistent across multiple computers for me. On the same computers (I dual-boot on both my laptop and desktop) Linux idles at about 800mb-1.2gb. This was even true on KDE which was one of the “heavier” feature-rich desktop environments. I think Gnome might have been 1.5gb ish but I haven’t used in a while. Either way, it used way less RAM than my windows installs which could noticeably impact some resource intensive programs like blender or davinci resolve
As someone with decision paralysis and executive dysfunction issues, this is true for me. I’m probably more than capable of using it for a daily driver but there are 5000 flavors and I will likely never be able to make a solid choice until one is obviously vastly superior in some way I need.
Just use Ubuntu. It just works.
That’s what I use if I want to just get things done.
Lemmy taught me I’ll go to Linux Hell for using Ubuntu.
Nah. There’s a lot of nerds on here. They are over overrepresented. Normal folks and older users who don’t have time to fuck around use Ubuntu.
Why recommend Gnome as a windows alternative? Surely KDE is a much better option if you’re trying to make a windows user feel more familiar with the interface.
I’m a KDE user right now. While I love KDE, I find that it breaks way too easily when you customize it. And there’s way,way too many customization options to a point that it becomes overwhelming. I can waste hours trying to customize something, roll back, break KDE, reset my KDE environment, try again, etc. And between KDE users, the desktop will almost never be the same which can lead to issues when they ask for support from a friend or something.
In gnome, what you see is what you get. You can just focus on your work or your activity. And because there’s less customisation options, you get pretty much the same desktop experience across multiple users. So if I go to a friend’s place and they also it Ubuntu with Gnome, I’m almost certain to have the same desktop experience as mine
My Ubuntu on a SBC for a workshop just killed itself on Monday. Had it for a few months, new SBC, fresh Ubuntu install, 0 customization, just using it occasionally for Chromium. It popped up a new version -Minotaur or something- was out, so I said sure upgrade. It gave an error for bash near the end, then bricked itself. Now i gotta dig out SD cards and find a new distro.
Fuck Ubuntu. Ends in misery every single time.
And no I don’t want any recommendations.
Well that’s like a single anecdotal experience out of hundreds of thousands who had no problem. And it’s more probable to run into problems when using non-LTS versions.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_dysfunction
It’s cool dude, you don’t have to do that. I’m just messing/teasing with you, sorry, I couldn’t fuckin resist lol
Sod off with that kind of attitude on my post thank you
People with asd can have executive dysfunction as well
https://www.healthline.com/health/executive-dysfunction
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/living-with-mild-cognitive-impairment-mci/newsfeed-post/executive-dysfunction-and-mci/
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23224-executive-dysfunction
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TIL I haven’t had a home operating system for a quarter century.
TIL you can’t read. I said most people. Not everyone.
To lump my own personal bitch onto this: liking a thing and bringing it up regardless of conversation or context isn’t a personality
Just want to say most people only need a browser, and it’s only going to continue on that path. That’s why ChromeOS works.
You are wrong. The reason that linux isn’t popularvis that windows comes preinstalled in computers and most people don’t know how to install an operating system pet along what an operating system is. Linux is dead easy nowadays, ao.much that my tech illiterate parents can use it, spread misinformation elsewhere
https://files.catbox.moe/jgn66k.png
I’ve seen more criticism of Lemmy’s Linux Problem, than I actually have seen LLP in action