• @yeahiknow3
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    Yes, actually, I do.

    There’s an academic survey that goes out every few years, and there’s more consensus among philosophers that abortion is permissible than about literally anything else. There’s less agreement that the external world exists.

    Being against abortion requires one or more of these assumptions:

    1. That zygotes are actual people.
    2. That these zygote people have rights over your body overriding any of your own needs.
    3. That sex is blameworthy and constitutes some sort of implied consent regarding pregnancy.

    Any one of these assumptions is, frankly, insane.

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      People are irrational, that’s hardly news. I appreciate this issue is important to you but that doesn’t make them psychopaths. I shouldn’t think a psychopath would care much either way, beyond which course of action might benefit them at the time. Again, this is coming from someone who flushed an aborted foetus down the toilet, so I’m really not precious about it.

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        I shouldn’t think a psychopath would care much either way, beyond which course of action might benefit them at the time.

        I agree, but the fact that they don’t care is the problem. Abortion might be a means to an end, a way to immiserate a target demographic. Without compunctions and moral impulses, anti-abortion laws, witch-hunting, and racism become viable vehicles for collective punishment and self-gratification.

        The Sociopath Next Door is full of case studies from a Harvard psychiatrist specializing in sociopathy. The extremes of the disorder are obviously disturbing, but what happens when the neuropathology is sub-diagnostic?

        My interest is in how psychopathy connects to people’s epistemic hygiene. That is, the ability, habits, and motivation to correctly construe reality. Think about it. Moral facts are just like any other kinds of fact. Someone with ASPD would be unresponsive or insensitive to moral facts (as you said). But epistemic facts have the same flavor, and pathological lying is symptomatic of psychopathy.

        What has to go wrong in a brain for a person to lose concern about misconstruing or misrepresenting reality?

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          What has to go “right”, though? I think that presupposes an idealised state of human development that can be deducted from. I’m not sure what the neutral form is for a human, but those kind of beliefs are so common I wonder if the pathology is baked-in, so to speak.

          Plus, some people really do think embryos are people! They get triggered by abortion as if you killed their dog in front of them. I happen to think they’re wrong, but the urge to anthropomorphise things is very strong, and there’s at least some logic behind their belief.

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            I think that presupposes an idealised [sic] state of human development that can be deducted from.

            If you don’t think that mental illness exists, then there’s no point having this conversation.

            Plus, some people really do think embryos are people!

            Yes, and some are flat-earthers (truly) and Trump supporters, and some compulsively eat dirt. That’s kind of the point. Insanity is strange and we want to understand it better.