• DMBFFF
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    17 months ago

    Apparently Rothbard wasn’t as bad as Himmler, but he was bad enough.

    You no more have to be a disciple of Rothbard, Rand, or Hoppe to be a libertarian, anymore than you have to be a tankie to be leftist, however tankies might say otherwise.

    • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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      17 months ago

      Apparently Rothbard wasn’t as bad as Himmler,

      Of course not - the likes of Rothbard or Rand will never be caught dead close to the mass-graves their ideological grifting helped to dig.

      anymore than you have to be a tankie to be leftist

      I make a hard distinction between leftists and political racketeers masquerading as leftists right until they get the power they crave. I place everything spawned by the Bolsheviks in the latter category.

      There is nothing unique or new about this distinction.

      • DMBFFF
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        17 months ago

        Rand wrote about the Nazis and fascists.

        She didn’t like them.

        So are you saying that your brand of leftism was spawned before the Bolsheviks—i.e. over 100 years ago?

        What do you think about Karl Marx, a 19th century political philosopher, IIUC?

        • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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          17 months ago

          She didn’t like them.

          She sure liked their methods.

          So are you saying that your brand of leftism was spawned before

          The French didn’t invent left or right - they just invented a useful shorthand to distinguish between the two.

          • DMBFFF
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            17 months ago

            The most successful socialists on the planet used fascistic methods.

              • DMBFFF
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                17 months ago

                Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, probably Tito and Castro, arguably Pol Pot, Guzman, arguably the PFLP.

                • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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                  17 months ago

                  Perpetrating mass-murder against the working class doesn’t conform to any worthwile description of the term “socialism” - so that disqualifies everyone on your list except Tito and Castro. And I’d describe them purely as nationalists.

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                    They might say things like “triage,” “greater good,” and “ends justify the means”;

                    or as the Vietnam vet joke goes: “You don’t know, man! You weren’t there!”

                    Kerensky failed.

                    Lenin died.

                    Trotsky lived in a client state of the Capitalist US Empire.

                    Stalin got things done, and Brezhnev, for whatever his faults, continued it.

                    https://youtu.be/QuN6GfUix7c?t=409 (cued, for about a minute)

                    (and the thing supposedly in Camaroon apparantly didn’t happen)