• @masquenox@lemmy.world
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    27 months ago

    “Libertarian” became popular in the US when it started being incorporated into various science fiction novels.

    They got their que from right-wing economic grifters like Rothbard and Hayek - people whose beliefs wouldn’t be out of place in Nazi Germany. That’s why olden days US sci-fi writing was a festering hole of fascism - nothing else could have produced people like Heinlein.

    • @Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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      77 months ago

      Heinlein was a huge friend to Philip K. Dick, and any number of Jewish science fiction writers. He was one of the first writers to have an African woman as a hero, one of the first to have a transman character. Stop using the word ‘fascist’ for anyone on the Right. It dilutes the term.

      • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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        -37 months ago

        and any number of Jewish science fiction writers.

        And?

        He was one of the first writers to have an African woman

        And?

        one of the first to have a transman character.

        Again… and?

        Stop using the word ‘fascist’ for anyone on the Right. It dilutes the term.

        All right-wingers walk the same path. If you write fascist drivel, you are a fascist. Heinlein was a fascist. Stop making excuses for him.

    • DMBFFF
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      17 months ago

      I got mine from the Libertarian party, a few decades ago.

      They didn’t seem too fascistic back then.

        • DMBFFF
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          17 months ago

          They didn’t wear brown, black, or blue uniforms.

          They wore no uniforms.

          One seemed to like Dead Kennedy’s and Black Flag.

          • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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            17 months ago

            They didn’t wear brown, black, or blue uniforms.

            Most fascists don’t.

            One seemed to like Dead Kennedy’s and Black Flag.

            And up until very recently a whole bunch of them thought Rage Against The Machine was theirs, too.

            • DMBFFF
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              17 months ago

              They seem most powerful in uniform—I guess that’s what helps ties those little sticks together into their mighty hammer, FWIW.

              I don’t like Rage Against the Machine.

              Part of it is musical, I suppose.

              Part of it is they support tankies and a group that massacred indigenous peasants in Peru.

              • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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                17 months ago

                They seem most powerful in uniform

                Sure. But it also makes knowing who to shoot a whole lot easier, too.

                Part of it is they support tankies and a group that massacred indigenous peasants in Peru.

                I’m not sure what RATM’s deal with the (so-called) “Shining Path” lot was… there’s nothing unique about leftists having shit takes or throwing their weight behind the wrong cause. It comes with the territory.

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                  Yes, it does make fascists better targets.

                  RATM’s previous support of Shining Path, or for that matter the USSR, would probably be quite forgivable if they admitted that they made mistakes—confessions, if you will.

                  Have they written anything about their beliefs, and explaining such, besides very generalized stuff like “fuck capitalism,” “fuck imperialism,” “fuck fascism,” “fuck American foreign policy,” “fuck this,” “fuck that,” whatever?

                  It’s why I’m still ticked at Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam, and his endorsement of the attempted murder of Salman Rushdie, and his later denials of such.