• @KrankyKong@lemmy.world
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      I did, but let me be more explicit for you. Animal testing is necessary because it makes modern medicine possible.

      Now, if we outlaw animal testing, what alternative should we take? That’s three timese now. You haven’t been able to give an answer yet.

      • @terusgormand8465
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        They’re a troll, suggesting direct testing on humans, never even occurred to them how messed up that would be.

      • @bec@lemmy.ml
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        -57 months ago

        Maybe there currently aren’t alternatives specifically because they aren’t needed as in why develop alternatives when the status quo isn’t challenged and testing on animals is the norm?

        • Turun
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          No one likes animal trials, most of all the researchers themselves who work with the animals. For example researchers cannot take any vacation during the trial. In fact someone needs to be in the lab at least once a day, including Sundays and public holidays.

          Also animal trials are expensive.

          Research on alternatives is progressing. It’s not like there is a big conspiracy of sociopaths that get off on animal suffering and want to keep the status quo because of that. It’s simply really really really hard to simulate a body to the necessary level.

        • Screemu
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          7 months ago

          Meat eaters will never challenge the status quo.

          Edit: As usual, those friendly and loving fellas have nothing but downvotes. Keep on killing them!

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        -97 months ago

        That isn’t an answer to the question:

        Why would it be ok to test on non-human animals but not on humans?

        • @KrankyKong@lemmy.world
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          117 months ago

          Because humans are more valuable. If you had to choose between saving one human, and one hundred rats, which would you choose? We test on rats until we deem it safe and ethical enough to progress to testing on humans.

          • Jerkface (any/all)
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            That doesn’t make the lives of animals worthless. And they are treated as less than worthless.

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            What is it about humans that makes them more valuable? And valuable in what way?

            • @KrankyKong@lemmy.world
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              147 months ago

              Can you answer the question, “If you had to choose between saving one human and one hundred rats,which would you choose?” The answer to your questions is related to this one.

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                It’s not related because that choice is not what is happening. You don’t have one button that kills/saves rats and one that kills/saves a human.

                What is happening is that we have deemed it morall ok to medically experiment on non-human animals but not on humans.

                • @KrankyKong@lemmy.world
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                  137 months ago

                  It’s absolutely related. Animal testing has indirectly saved countless lives. I think you’re refusing to answer because it doesn’t help your argument.

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                    What argument? I haven’t made an argument, I want to know your position and what it is about humans that makes them more valuable than non-human animals.

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                I am not going to medically experiment on either, so no, it’s not like that.

                • @TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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                  87 months ago

                  You value one over the other and you know it.

                  You are all over this comment section attempting to slip out of good points but we see you. The good points stand.

              • 🦄🦄🦄
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                -37 months ago

                Ad hominems are a surefire way to show you have nothing of value to add. Good bye.

          • @optissima@lemmy.world
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            We’re already trying to scale existing methods, which means we already have the technology, it’s just not cheaper than the subsidized meat industry.

            • @lud@lemm.ee
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              Meat‽

              Are you suggesting that we test vaccines on artificial hamburger meat?

              Making something that tastes like meat is WAY different from actually making a complete immune system, fully working organs and everything else you need to test vaccines. We basically need full clones.

              Also how can you harvest lab grown organs consensually? It’s not like they can talk…

              You could theoretically make lab grown organs in a millennium or something but doing it consensually doesn’t make any sense because you can’t do it with or without consent, because they would presumably not be sentient.