donald trump gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding and most likely leaking classified documents. Sweet sweet justice.
It’s evidence that we live in corporatocracies masquerading as “democracies”. The 0.1%, shielded by the liability protections of the corporations they own, and their armies of lobbyists — they finance our politics, choose who ends up on the ballot, and shadow write most of our legislation, policies, and regulations.
Trump is free because he is a part of that < 0.1%.
The Boeing execs who oversaw systemic fraud, lied to the FAA, and murdered 166 people still ARE FREE AND RICH. Why? Because they are the 0.1%.
The IPCC hosts fossil fuelled climate summits in fossil fuel exporting countries, inviting fossil fuel corporations and lobbyists to attend — at a scientific conference about how to solve the crisis they created and profited from! why? Because we live in corporatocracies.
If any country’s government spied on its own people as much as big business does in America, people would flip out. But in America, big business really is the government.
I think this is a consequence of any (unregulated) capitalistic system in general. The system is founded on money, more money will give anyone more influence and power over the system
It’s a consequence of our “growth at all costs” take on capitalism. Capitalism is only livable for the average person when it’s kept in check by a strong government and corruption is vigorously prosecuted. We’ve decided that corruption just happens and there’s nothing we can do about it, and so there are no disincentives to corrupting government.
True, but also there are consequences of regulated capitalistic systems where the regulatory bodies become fascistic. And I mean in the traditional (actual) definition of fascistic and not just the way it gets thrown around modernly.
This has nothing to do with an economic system. This same shit is worse even in communist systems, and I’m not even going to try and point fingers at that system and say it is.
The real reason is because of power, and a class system that protects its own.
Correct, no clue why I pointed this out and got downvoted but you say the same thing and get people agreeing with you…guess I should have kept with the “capitalism bad” circle jerk.
The ability to move upward in capitalism is much greater than in any other current economic system. Acting like capitalism is the sole reason for the current divide is silly
Someone should look up the maximum sentence for what he’s been charged with. The current biggest hold-ups are not being able to make someone appear in multiple trials in different places simultaneously, and avoiding the appearance that the court is trying to interfere with an election.
You don’t want the court to not care about the appearance of interfering with elections, or else you’ll have the GoP trying to get Democrat politicians on dubious charges that they’ll definitely not be guilty of but will definitely bury them in scandal and prevent them from campaigning effectively.
You’re not wrong, these Trump trial judges are bending over backwards to avoid any grounds for mistrial. In one sense they are doing the right thing inside the legal framework, but look at the downsides.
The public is watching how a rich and powerful man can game the system, even as a criminal defendant the system is working for him. Every incarcerated person can see the reality: they were treated with default brutality, but Trump is treated as royalty.
And even worse, they are allowing Trump to delay every verdict until after the election. If he wins the election he pardons himself, this is a horrible precedent for our democracy.
I’m fairly certain his conduct during the proceedings themselves would have landed me or anyone else in jail by now. (And/Or with a fine that required us to do more than lift up our couch cushions.)
(And/Or with a fine that required us to do more than lift up our couch cushions.)
That’s a problem with the amount of fine being set by law and despite likely not being as wealthy as claimed, Trump still has enough money that $10k isn’t going to hurt him.
Jailing him for contempt has all the same logistical problems imprisoning him is going to, but at a smaller, less secure facility.
For the record, Aaron Swartz never actually went to trial, nor was he “sentenced” to anything.
Federal prosecutors came after him with overzealous charges in an effort to make him accept a plea deal (they do that a lot), which he rejected. It would have gone to court where the feds would have had to justify the charges they were bringing.
But that never happened because he killed himself.
We don’t actually know how this all would have played out.
The comment in OPs post is misleading but he did nevertheless kill himself because of the justice system trying to prosecute him for accessing science most likely funded by public money in the first place.
donald tr*mp gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding and most likely leaking classified documents. Sweet sweet justice.
Why are you censoring Donald Trump’s name? Is it a swear word now in your country?
We’re big girls here, we can take a little rude language, don’t worry :)
donald trump gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding and most likely leaking classified documents. Sweet sweet justice.
People keep trying to convince me it’s not evidence of two justice systems.
But it is.
It’s evidence that we live in corporatocracies masquerading as “democracies”. The 0.1%, shielded by the liability protections of the corporations they own, and their armies of lobbyists — they finance our politics, choose who ends up on the ballot, and shadow write most of our legislation, policies, and regulations.
Trump is free because he is a part of that < 0.1%.
The Boeing execs who oversaw systemic fraud, lied to the FAA, and murdered 166 people still ARE FREE AND RICH. Why? Because they are the 0.1%.
The IPCC hosts fossil fuelled climate summits in fossil fuel exporting countries, inviting fossil fuel corporations and lobbyists to attend — at a scientific conference about how to solve the crisis they created and profited from! why? Because we live in corporatocracies.
The US is a kleptocracy, we’re ruled by the people who have looted the public
If any country’s government spied on its own people as much as big business does in America, people would flip out. But in America, big business really is the government.
We are so fucked…
But no one would really “flip out” because none one could really do anything about it.
Good thing guillotines don’t care about wealth, only the size of your neck.
We’ll just have to make the hole slightly larger to fit fatter necks.
I think this is a consequence of any (unregulated) capitalistic system in general. The system is founded on money, more money will give anyone more influence and power over the system
It’s a consequence of our “growth at all costs” take on capitalism. Capitalism is only livable for the average person when it’s kept in check by a strong government and corruption is vigorously prosecuted. We’ve decided that corruption just happens and there’s nothing we can do about it, and so there are no disincentives to corrupting government.
True, but also there are consequences of regulated capitalistic systems where the regulatory bodies become fascistic. And I mean in the traditional (actual) definition of fascistic and not just the way it gets thrown around modernly.
This has nothing to do with an economic system. This same shit is worse even in communist systems, and I’m not even going to try and point fingers at that system and say it is.
The real reason is because of power, and a class system that protects its own.
Only struggle is the class struggle
Correct, no clue why I pointed this out and got downvoted but you say the same thing and get people agreeing with you…guess I should have kept with the “capitalism bad” circle jerk.
lol you got downvoted because you said something negative about communism on Lemmy
I mean… you’re correct lol
because the class system is built into capitalism.
you can’t have unchecked capitalism without an exploited underclass.
and you said it has nothing to do with the economic system, which is false, hence the downvotes…
The ability to move upward in capitalism is much greater than in any other current economic system. Acting like capitalism is the sole reason for the current divide is silly
lol you got downvoted because you said something negative about communism on Lemmy
It’s the subtle difference between a JUSTICE system and a LEGAL system.
One aims to maintain law and order in society in a fair and equal way regardless of one’s status or situation.
The other is a system gamed to benefit the richest and wealthiest individuals to get away with everything.
At risk of sounding cringe, it’s evidence of one injustice system.
Someone should look up the maximum sentence for what he’s been charged with. The current biggest hold-ups are not being able to make someone appear in multiple trials in different places simultaneously, and avoiding the appearance that the court is trying to interfere with an election.
You don’t want the court to not care about the appearance of interfering with elections, or else you’ll have the GoP trying to get Democrat politicians on dubious charges that they’ll definitely not be guilty of but will definitely bury them in scandal and prevent them from campaigning effectively.
You’re not wrong, these Trump trial judges are bending over backwards to avoid any grounds for mistrial. In one sense they are doing the right thing inside the legal framework, but look at the downsides.
The public is watching how a rich and powerful man can game the system, even as a criminal defendant the system is working for him. Every incarcerated person can see the reality: they were treated with default brutality, but Trump is treated as royalty.
And even worse, they are allowing Trump to delay every verdict until after the election. If he wins the election he pardons himself, this is a horrible precedent for our democracy.
I could not possibly have said it better than this.
I’m fairly certain his conduct during the proceedings themselves would have landed me or anyone else in jail by now. (And/Or with a fine that required us to do more than lift up our couch cushions.)
That’s a problem with the amount of fine being set by law and despite likely not being as wealthy as claimed, Trump still has enough money that $10k isn’t going to hurt him.
Jailing him for contempt has all the same logistical problems imprisoning him is going to, but at a smaller, less secure facility.
Right, right.
2 Justice systems.
For the record, Aaron Swartz never actually went to trial, nor was he “sentenced” to anything.
Federal prosecutors came after him with overzealous charges in an effort to make him accept a plea deal (they do that a lot), which he rejected. It would have gone to court where the feds would have had to justify the charges they were bringing.
But that never happened because he killed himself.
We don’t actually know how this all would have played out.
The comment in OPs post is misleading but he did nevertheless kill himself because of the justice system trying to prosecute him for accessing science most likely funded by public money in the first place.
And will never know, selfishly speaking, the possible extent of his further contributions to society. Died at 26 after an incredible life already.
Besides his life, what else did they steal from us?
RIP Aaron
Why are you censoring Donald Trump’s name? Is it a swear word now in your country?
We’re big girls here, we can take a little rude language, don’t worry :)
I don’t know why but i just didn’t want to type that slur. It’s edited now.
There are lots of funny spellings:-).
One of the best imho is tRump, like Donald’s Rump.
Or for those in the know, Drumpf.