“We need to make sure that we put women in the men’s ward and men in the women’s ward. That will make people feel safer and result in fairer care” fucking transphobe terf island I hate it here
Incorrect, they are single sex wards not single gender wards. Females should be on a Female ward and Males on a Male ward which is correct if wards are decided based on sex and not gender.
such a stupid thing to whine about. what if they got surgery and they are externally identical to a cis woman, do they still need to go in the ward for men? just let people be.
“I’m going to reply to the trans person under the premise that they don’t understand sex and gender”
The sentiment of my comment was a lot deeper than “conflating sex and gender”. The subtext was that single-sex wards where you are sorted by your AGAB are not trans (or intersex) inclusive, even if technically valid sorting criteria.
So you consider “putting those weird other people in their own rooms away from the rest of us normals” to be inclusive? Its 1 step better than forcing them to be in a room full of people of the opposite gender, sure, but it sure as hell isn’t inclusive. Anyway, this conversation is over a week stale, I don’t care for it anymore. Have a nice life!
That seems reasonable. I’m a transsexual female with female hormones and female genitalia, I was AMAB and I will be in the female ward along with my fellow females, thanks!
You are not assigned male, you fall in the sex category male at birth. Sex is immutable and cannot be changed unlike gender, therefore in wards based on sex you will be put in a male ward. Unless as the article lays out you get your own room, which is the likely and most preferred outcome for all inpatients.
If you knew as much as you try to put on about biological sex, you’d know that’s its far, far more complicated than “male or female” and there are plenty of people who are assigned one thing at birth which doesn’t factually align with their biological sex. So yes, it is an assignment.
I fail to see how a rational inpatient would give the slightest fuck if the girl a bed over from them had a cock when they were born so i dont know what preferred outcome they have in this, and I can speak as a trans person to the fact that it would not be my preferred outcome to be singled out and put in my own room. I’d choose it over being in the male ward, but its not my “preferred outcome”.
What world do you live in where spare rooms on the NHS are widely available? Because I’d like to go there, since it certainly isn’t reality.
You are not assigned male, you fall in the sex category male at birth
I’m not at birth though anymore am I? I’m not a man and for most purposes I’m not male anymore either. Defining sex by chromosomes only when dictating societal policy which is very much not about chromosomes when it comes to sex segregation is overly reductive and it is completely absurd to place women who transitioned decades ago and have very little physically in common with the male sex alongside the male sex for literally no reason.
The only motivation for this absurdity is to hurt and ostracize trans people.
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My NHS sex marker says F and has since I’ve had an NHS number and I never even changed my name from a very obviously male one. It’s almost as if this whole charade is pretty absurd and trans women being women and for the most part female is self-evident.
“We need to make sure that we put women in the men’s ward and men in the women’s ward. That will make people feel safer and result in fairer care” fucking transphobe terf island I hate it here
As if that will actually happen. There’s no magic single room tree :)
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Incorrect, they are single sex wards not single gender wards. Females should be on a Female ward and Males on a Male ward which is correct if wards are decided based on sex and not gender.
such a stupid thing to whine about. what if they got surgery and they are externally identical to a cis woman, do they still need to go in the ward for men? just let people be.
I was correcting a factual mistake, the conflation of sex and gender in this case, far from whining.
“I’m going to reply to the trans person under the premise that they don’t understand sex and gender”
The sentiment of my comment was a lot deeper than “conflating sex and gender”. The subtext was that single-sex wards where you are sorted by your AGAB are not trans (or intersex) inclusive, even if technically valid sorting criteria.
So you consider “putting those weird other people in their own rooms away from the rest of us normals” to be inclusive? Its 1 step better than forcing them to be in a room full of people of the opposite gender, sure, but it sure as hell isn’t inclusive. Anyway, this conversation is over a week stale, I don’t care for it anymore. Have a nice life!
That seems reasonable. I’m a transsexual female with female hormones and female genitalia, I was AMAB and I will be in the female ward along with my fellow females, thanks!
You are not assigned male, you fall in the sex category male at birth. Sex is immutable and cannot be changed unlike gender, therefore in wards based on sex you will be put in a male ward. Unless as the article lays out you get your own room, which is the likely and most preferred outcome for all inpatients.
If you knew as much as you try to put on about biological sex, you’d know that’s its far, far more complicated than “male or female” and there are plenty of people who are assigned one thing at birth which doesn’t factually align with their biological sex. So yes, it is an assignment.
I fail to see how a rational inpatient would give the slightest fuck if the girl a bed over from them had a cock when they were born so i dont know what preferred outcome they have in this, and I can speak as a trans person to the fact that it would not be my preferred outcome to be singled out and put in my own room. I’d choose it over being in the male ward, but its not my “preferred outcome”.
What world do you live in where spare rooms on the NHS are widely available? Because I’d like to go there, since it certainly isn’t reality.
I’m not at birth though anymore am I? I’m not a man and for most purposes I’m not male anymore either. Defining sex by chromosomes only when dictating societal policy which is very much not about chromosomes when it comes to sex segregation is overly reductive and it is completely absurd to place women who transitioned decades ago and have very little physically in common with the male sex alongside the male sex for literally no reason.
The only motivation for this absurdity is to hurt and ostracize trans people.
My NHS sex marker says F and has since I’ve had an NHS number and I never even changed my name from a very obviously male one. It’s almost as if this whole charade is pretty absurd and trans women being women and for the most part female is self-evident.