White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.
I don’t know if there are stats comparing the same specific road using different modes of transportation, but overall, driving has a higher death rate per capita than cycling. Even when the roads aren’t busy!
Even the CDC states that "Age-adjusted motor vehicle traffic death rates were highest for motor vehicle occupants and lowest for pedal cyclists for the entire period (1999 to 2019) (SOURCE)
You don’t need to be convinced, facts don’t care about what you or I think.
What about commuting? Running errands? Visiting a friend the next block over? If driving is demonstrably more dangerous, and only stupid people walk or cycle, what would you do in those cases? Just stay home?
You’re grasping at straws.
Per capita death includes all scenarios. We’re not talking about all scenarios. We’re not talking about whether cars are safer then bikes.
Riding a bike is safer than driving a vehicle. NO SHIT.
We’re specifically talking about riding your bike down a busy road with cars.
You do know there are other places to ride your bike where there aren’t massive death machines driving by right?
God damn are you really this dense?
Nobody is riding bikes on freeways, if that’s what you’re implying. What do you consider “too busy”? 1 car per hour? 100? 1000?
Rural roads, that is, farm roads with maybe a few cars an hour, like the roads that MANY cyclists use because they aren’t busy, can still kill cyclists because drivers are idiots.
What about residential neighbourhoods where kids live and play (and where cars still end up killing people)? Still too busy for bikes?
You’ve been blaming victims since your first comment, defending cars and relegating cycling to “extreme and crazy”. Yet you haven’t offered any solutions at all to what pedestrian and cyclists should do to perform their normal, daily tasks.
I’m COMPLETELY open to solutions, but it sounds like you simply don’t want cyclists on the road… any of them. And that’s not a solution to anything except making all areas in every community less safe to be in.
“Rural roads, that is, farm roads with maybe a few cars an hour, like the roads that MANY cyclists use because they aren’t busy, can still kill cyclists because drivers are idiots.”
Exactly! If you don’t want to die from getting hit by a car THEN STAY OFF THE ROAD. Literally cycle anywhere else it isn’t that hard. I don’t have sympathy for people who refuse to understand this.
I also have zero empathy for people that die in sky diving incidents. I have zero sympathy for people who do stupid shit and die from doing stupid shit.
So, help me to understand.
Someone walks out of their home with a bike. Now what? Where do they ride if they already know the destination?
Ironically, you consider anything except driving to be “stupid shit”, even though driving is more likely to get someone killed.
And we won’t even get into the number of lives SAVED because of the health benefits that go along with cycling, or the health detriments that go along with driving – even if you aren’t the driver!
You know that there are other places to ride your bike than busy roads right?
You know there are other ways to exercise right?
Sounds like you’re just being stubborn. Go for it buddy. It’s only your life.
You failed to answer the question.
Someone is trying to get to work or pick up prescriptions. They walk of their house with a bike. Where do you suggest they ride?
No, you failed to answer my question. With all of the places in the world you can ride your bike for entertainment/exercise why do you select busy roads? Why is your first and only choice to ride around death machines?
We aren’t talking about people who are too poor to buy a car or can’t take public transportation.
We are literally talking about people who are joy riding and do so on dangerous roads.
Did you forget that we are responding to a post about a child who died because he decided to use a public busy road for training? He very easily could have chosen a safer place to do it. Sounds to me like you’re the type of person who refuses to take accountability for your own actions.
You’re so stubborn that you’d rather die by getting hit by a car then just finding a safer place.
Really there is no point using logic with you because you don’t use that part of your brain.
Bye.
Can you name all of these places in the world to ride a bike? If not the road and not the sidewalk, where?
And nobody purposely chooses to ride their bike around cars - they are forced to with no other alternatives.
Still, they have a legal right to be on those roads, and drivers have a legal and moral obligation to drive safely.
The kid was cycling in an area close to his own home! He was struck from behind while riding on the shoulder!
Maybe drivers should learn how to drive and not kill people. How does that sound?
You haven’t ONCE held a driver responsible for their actions in any of your replies, so you are arguing in bad faith. You simply don’t like cyclists.
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Dude. People get killed cycling on cycle paths too. Most accidents happen in cities, at intersections, not on calm rural roads. It is not that dangerous.
You are promoting to not ride a bike at all really, i think a bicycling community is a strange place to do that.