I owned an original iPhone and saw its immediate potential as a revolutionary device. That thing got me laid more than once.
This is different.
Look, I see what this could become, but Apple hadn’t thought through some important parts of creating an entirely new computing UX. And the device’s expense and design are serious problems that devices like the iPhone didn’t have to overcome.
Everyone immediately knew how to use and integrate the iPhone into their lives, despite some very vocal critics and some valid complaints. The Vision Pro is a device that has no clear purpose, no “killer feature”, and whatever allure it may have is worn off by its outrageous and prohibitive price brought by the fact that’s it absurdly over-engineered.
The iPhone launched without an App store. It later went on to define the concept of having a “killer app.”
It is clear from the article I linked that there were tons of people who didn’t know how the iPhone fit into their lives. That’s hugely revisionist history. All of the complaints about the VisionPro were made about the original iPhone. For instance:
“There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It’s a $500 subsidized item,” said then-Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
People said it was too expensive! Here’s some more:
To summarize: the iPhone is expensive and fails miserably at its primary function of making telephone calls, but other than that it’s really great.
I still wouldn’t buy one for everyday use.
We like our strategy. We’re selling millions and million and millions of phones a year. Apple is selling zero phones. In six months they’ll have the most expensive phone by far ever in the marketplace
I, personally, was a very late adopter to smart phones, joining when my motorola flip phone was stolen out of my hand during the iPhone 3g era. I later jumped to Android for the One Plus One, and stuck with that until jumping back to Apple devices years later.
But you could point to the Apple Watch, or the iPod, or any number of successful products that Apple has brought out and find the exact same things being said.
As for the VisionPro, all of the reviews I’ve seen for the device have been universally mixed-to-positive. They generally share your sentiment that it isn’t clear yet where it fits in, but that it is an incredible, magical, device.
The most negative review I’ve seen has said that it’s great but not worth messing up your hair to use.
But to claim it’s universally panned is absolutely not true.
It’s a great device that lots of people who can’t afford one are complaining about. That’s it so far.
You’re comparing apples and oranges here, while at the same time both overblowing the initial criticisms of the original iPhone while ignoring the amazement and praise it initially got compared to how little praise weighed against the (ok, near-) universal criticism the Vision Pro is getting.
It’s nowhere close. Not by galaxies.
You, yourself, admit you were “late to the smartphone game”— I was there, and I can tell you: pretty much everyone had iPhone mania. Stores couldn’t keep them on the shelves. They sold on eBay for outrageous markup. And while a few didn’t like them, most people adored them despite their quirks.
I was late to buying an iPhone because it was a stupid, expensive, product that had no use in my life.
I was wrong.
And literally you are saying the same things that I quoted about the Apple Watch, and the same things were said about the iPad.
Not all three had the devices flying off the shelf in the first year.
But aside from that, I have a Vision Pro, and I love it.
It is better than all of the other VR headsets I have used, which is a relatively extensive list. I currently own the Index and PSVR2. And I would rather pay Apple $3000 dollars than buy a Meta product again if I can help it.
I suspect this will be more like the Apple Watch. A product people liked but didn’t get at first and then over time it became the de-facto choice of smart watch.
But time will tell. I’m rooting for both the Vision Pro and the VR industry, myself, and I hope you are just like everyone I quoted you on every Apple product ever, just being foolish.
You are twisting my words, cherry-picking, making false equivalencies, and ignoring a ton of evidence, all while ignoring your own massive bias.
Sorry buddy, but you’re wrong to compare the Vision Pro to Apple’s other product launches of late. The only one I can think to compare it to is the Lisa.
How is it twisting your words? Your complaints do resemble the complaints seen during every other Apple product’s release I’ve experienced. I provided some references. They are almost verbatim.
And I literally had those opinions at the time.
And comparing it to the Apple Watch is pretty damned fair. The first year sales were way lower than expected for the watch:
But at the end of the day, have you even tried the thing? It’s an awesome fucking product, with tons of potential. Just like virtually every review has said.
Since you’re clearly not willing to listen to anyone but your own biased arguments, cherry-picked articles, and your own bias despite your own admitted lack of first-hand knowledge or experience, and you insist on making on fallacious argument after the next, this conversation is over since now you’re just sea lioning.
I know that Lemmy generally agrees with this guy’s low effort, Apple Bad, opining…
But come on.
If you have strongly held opinions about a product you have never tried, maybe you can just not say them.
But I get it, you all want a space to jeer and throw tomatoes at Apple, and screw anyone who doesn’t.
Also, I sent at least one of the comments in this chain from my Vision Pro, using the Voyager app while downloading 4k stereo gay porn and a 16k stereo video of a stream.
Just going to leave this here:
https://bgr.com/general/original-iphone-reaction-comments/
I owned an original iPhone and saw its immediate potential as a revolutionary device. That thing got me laid more than once.
This is different.
Look, I see what this could become, but Apple hadn’t thought through some important parts of creating an entirely new computing UX. And the device’s expense and design are serious problems that devices like the iPhone didn’t have to overcome.
Everyone immediately knew how to use and integrate the iPhone into their lives, despite some very vocal critics and some valid complaints. The Vision Pro is a device that has no clear purpose, no “killer feature”, and whatever allure it may have is worn off by its outrageous and prohibitive price brought by the fact that’s it absurdly over-engineered.
As a result, it’s almost universally panned.
The iPhone launched without an App store. It later went on to define the concept of having a “killer app.”
It is clear from the article I linked that there were tons of people who didn’t know how the iPhone fit into their lives. That’s hugely revisionist history. All of the complaints about the VisionPro were made about the original iPhone. For instance:
People said it was too expensive! Here’s some more:
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/65619/13-early-criticisms-doubts-and-disses-about-iphone
I, personally, was a very late adopter to smart phones, joining when my motorola flip phone was stolen out of my hand during the iPhone 3g era. I later jumped to Android for the One Plus One, and stuck with that until jumping back to Apple devices years later.
But you could point to the Apple Watch, or the iPod, or any number of successful products that Apple has brought out and find the exact same things being said.
For example, Apple Watch will fail because:
https://medium.com/adventures-in-consumer-technology/10-reasons-the-apple-watch-will-fail-ecfe7fdffebd
As for the VisionPro, all of the reviews I’ve seen for the device have been universally mixed-to-positive. They generally share your sentiment that it isn’t clear yet where it fits in, but that it is an incredible, magical, device.
The most negative review I’ve seen has said that it’s great but not worth messing up your hair to use.
But to claim it’s universally panned is absolutely not true.
It’s a great device that lots of people who can’t afford one are complaining about. That’s it so far.
You’re comparing apples and oranges here, while at the same time both overblowing the initial criticisms of the original iPhone while ignoring the amazement and praise it initially got compared to how little praise weighed against the (ok, near-) universal criticism the Vision Pro is getting.
It’s nowhere close. Not by galaxies.
You, yourself, admit you were “late to the smartphone game”— I was there, and I can tell you: pretty much everyone had iPhone mania. Stores couldn’t keep them on the shelves. They sold on eBay for outrageous markup. And while a few didn’t like them, most people adored them despite their quirks.
That’s just not the case with the Vision Pro.
I was late to buying an iPhone because it was a stupid, expensive, product that had no use in my life.
I was wrong.
And literally you are saying the same things that I quoted about the Apple Watch, and the same things were said about the iPad.
Not all three had the devices flying off the shelf in the first year.
But aside from that, I have a Vision Pro, and I love it.
It is better than all of the other VR headsets I have used, which is a relatively extensive list. I currently own the Index and PSVR2. And I would rather pay Apple $3000 dollars than buy a Meta product again if I can help it.
I suspect this will be more like the Apple Watch. A product people liked but didn’t get at first and then over time it became the de-facto choice of smart watch.
But time will tell. I’m rooting for both the Vision Pro and the VR industry, myself, and I hope you are just like everyone I quoted you on every Apple product ever, just being foolish.
You are twisting my words, cherry-picking, making false equivalencies, and ignoring a ton of evidence, all while ignoring your own massive bias.
Sorry buddy, but you’re wrong to compare the Vision Pro to Apple’s other product launches of late. The only one I can think to compare it to is the Lisa.
How is it twisting your words? Your complaints do resemble the complaints seen during every other Apple product’s release I’ve experienced. I provided some references. They are almost verbatim.
And I literally had those opinions at the time.
And comparing it to the Apple Watch is pretty damned fair. The first year sales were way lower than expected for the watch:
https://www.cultofmac.com/635432/apple-watch-first-year-sales-projections-were-outlandishly-unrealistic/
But at the end of the day, have you even tried the thing? It’s an awesome fucking product, with tons of potential. Just like virtually every review has said.
Since you’re clearly not willing to listen to anyone but your own biased arguments, cherry-picked articles, and your own bias despite your own admitted lack of first-hand knowledge or experience, and you insist on making on fallacious argument after the next, this conversation is over since now you’re just sea lioning.
Blocked.
I know that Lemmy generally agrees with this guy’s low effort, Apple Bad, opining…
But come on.
If you have strongly held opinions about a product you have never tried, maybe you can just not say them.
But I get it, you all want a space to jeer and throw tomatoes at Apple, and screw anyone who doesn’t.
Also, I sent at least one of the comments in this chain from my Vision Pro, using the Voyager app while downloading 4k stereo gay porn and a 16k stereo video of a stream.
Both were awesome!