The trans to tankie pipeline is imo even more fascinating than the hippie to fascist one. I like to hang out in blahaj just to gawk at it.
Like, if you go to Russia or China they will kill you. The “liberals” you hate so much are what’s protecting your existence. You’re like a Black person praising the KKK for fighting against government tyranny.
I’ve known a surprising amount of online trans liberals who moved to the alt-right as well. Probably something about societal pressures releasing (or forcing) the unmooring of norms (in this case, of ideology) and thus shifting trans folk towards non-standard ideologies. Or, if one prefers, releasing them from the influence of our society instilling the ideology of liberal democracy, since that is the mainstream of all political mainstreams in the West.
There’s a big gap between “transphobia is rampantly unchecked” and “it’s not overt transphobia”, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
The “political theory” spouted by tankies is a cover. They reveal their true nature in the people that they glorify, such Mao, Stalin, Xi Jinping and even the Kim dynasty.
Going around assuming the worst of other people is not a path to success, or peace, or acceptance. If you are regularly looking for reasons to be angry, then of course you will regularly find them.
I didn’t tell “someone”, I told you… did you mean to post this comment from an alt account?
I didn’t say “looking for excuses”, I said “looking for reasons”. There’s a difference, and I used the word I meant. “Excuse” implies that the basis for the anger is illegitimate, and I am not saying that, it may very well be legitimate.
There will always be a reason to get angry, but getting angry is a choice that you make. You can make different choices.
If you just live in a state of outrage, you interpret anything that isn’t overtly positive as critical or “transphobic”, and you take that as support for your impression that “There is rampantly unchecked covert transphobia”, but this is confirmation bias. This point of view lacks nuance, it divides everyone that you interact with into a binary good/bad category.
The someone thing was about me, learn reading comprehension, self referential third person is a common phrasing asshole.
No, I am taking views that see trans women as potentially dangerous as being transphobic. Views that trans children shouldn’t get healthcare. That’s a far cry from “not overtly positive”. You’re disgusting in your attempts to minimize the situation.
You can make different choices??? Fuck you. I could choose to ignore transphobia, sure, but that would be morally lazy, morally painful, and directly impact me and my loved ones. I’m not looking for reasons to be angry, you’re looking for reasons to delegitimize trans people.
If the only way you see transphobia is if someone is literally saying slurs, you’re missing a lot and you’re either dumb as hell or a covert transphobe yourself.
Your comment did not leave space for the possibility that what I am saying is true, and you did the basic thing that privileged people do where you tell a minority they’re just getting angry over nothing. You think I live in a state of outrage?? You live in a state of willful ignorance.
People spout transphobic, gender-critical language and arguments constantly. I’m describing transphobic bullshit that I regularly read. They have lines of arguments that would come straight out of JK Rowling’s mouth.
As someone who’s a mod for a few LGBTQ specific comms on blahaj and is in the blahaj mod chat (keep in mind that I’m not an admin btw) I can confirm that there’s been some brigading of specifically this instance and it’s users (because it’s tied for position with hexbear as biggest trans focused instance on the lemmyverse, it’s widely federated so more visible to transphobes, and the users on hexbear are basically psychotic so anyone wanting to harass trans people tends to go for the squishier target of trans people here rather than go to hexbear and get dozens of replies telling them to post pictures of their dick, sending them pictures of a pig shitting itself and calling them a “hitlerite KKKracker” that deserve to be executed by firing squad and then being off and on harassed by the bears for the next two weeks) by transphobes in the past but normally it’s just one or two people doing it at once across a load of alts and they pretty quickly get banned. Also since the admins are in Australia, sometimes it takes a while for accounts to be removed and get site wide bans because admins are asleep when trolls from Europe and America are active so the transphobic comments get seen by more people before they get ban hammered.
At one point there was a pair of tiny instances that had open sign ups and literally no moderation that accounts were just being made on with the specific purpose of harassing trans users on here but they got defederated. By now, most of the overtly transphobic people have gotten bored though and stopped doing it.
There’s also the occasional problem with the sort of “i’m just asking questions” transphobic gender critical stuff the person you’re replying to was mentioning, but because that mainly comes from people using their actual long term accounts and not just trying to drive by harass users here, once they get banned they usually don’t tend to come back; since Lemmy’s growth has slowed now, a lot of the bad gender critical people have been banned by now and there’s not many new ones coming in.
TL;DR: there’s been problems with overt and covert transphobia in the past but it’s mostly been dealt with by now but we still get the occasional thing every now and again.
Thanks foryour thorough answer. I and I’m guessing manyothers experience lemmy as a very leftist space. Therefore I was a bit surprised when the other person claimed that transphobia was"rampant".
I talked to an overtly gender critical person like, a week or two ago?? A thing of the past? Crazy.
Calling gender critical people “soft transphobia” is such a huge misnomer. They’re not transphobia-lite, they’re STRONGLY transphobic but they are very skilled at crafting arguments in a way that don’t appear transphobic to people who aren’t versed in the rhetoric.
I don’t know man, honestly, just pay attention. Especially articles about trans women in sports - that’s a lightning rod topic for the transphobes.
What are you trying to accomplish here? Don’t actually answer that because I don’t care.This is exhausting. Being questioned and disbelieved about what I have seen as a trans person is not surprising but it’s exhausting and it’s frustrating to see your dumb ass comments about stop being so negative and making assumptions. That shit is so infuriating and absolutely patronizing to tell a member of a marginalized community, or anyone at all really.
Fuck you.
I am not debating you, I am telling you about my experience. You disbelieving me and giving me the third degree about this is a you problem.
Like - I’m genuinely sorry if that’s your exprience. I really am. And I’m not trying to question your experiences.
However: would you please adjust your fucking tone? It was an innocent question. I didn’t have the same experiences and was trying to get some info which communities house the people you’re talking about. I’m mostly on anarchist and linux communities which are usually quite welcoming to any lgbtq issues.
Also, as I’m assuming you didn’t notice: that was my first comment in this thread.
My my, look how fast those goalposts move…
Tankies are a subcategory of authoritarians.
The trans to tankie pipeline is imo even more fascinating than the hippie to fascist one. I like to hang out in blahaj just to gawk at it.
Like, if you go to Russia or China they will kill you. The “liberals” you hate so much are what’s protecting your existence. You’re like a Black person praising the KKK for fighting against government tyranny.
I’ve known a surprising amount of online trans liberals who moved to the alt-right as well. Probably something about societal pressures releasing (or forcing) the unmooring of norms (in this case, of ideology) and thus shifting trans folk towards non-standard ideologies. Or, if one prefers, releasing them from the influence of our society instilling the ideology of liberal democracy, since that is the mainstream of all political mainstreams in the West.
That’s the same thing I said before? About gender critical? I wasn’t moving the goalposts I was literally reminding you what I told you.
I’m not going to bother with your misunderstanding of political theory.
There’s a big gap between “transphobia is rampantly unchecked” and “it’s not overt transphobia”, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
The “political theory” spouted by tankies is a cover. They reveal their true nature in the people that they glorify, such Mao, Stalin, Xi Jinping and even the Kim dynasty.
There is rampantly unchecked covert transphobia.
Going around assuming the worst of other people is not a path to success, or peace, or acceptance. If you are regularly looking for reasons to be angry, then of course you will regularly find them.
🤮🤮🤮 can’t believe you told someone experiencing transphobia that they were “looking for excuses to be angry” 🤮🤮🤮 you absolute shit.
So…
There will always be a reason to get angry, but getting angry is a choice that you make. You can make different choices.
If you just live in a state of outrage, you interpret anything that isn’t overtly positive as critical or “transphobic”, and you take that as support for your impression that “There is rampantly unchecked covert transphobia”, but this is confirmation bias. This point of view lacks nuance, it divides everyone that you interact with into a binary good/bad category.
The someone thing was about me, learn reading comprehension, self referential third person is a common phrasing asshole.
No, I am taking views that see trans women as potentially dangerous as being transphobic. Views that trans children shouldn’t get healthcare. That’s a far cry from “not overtly positive”. You’re disgusting in your attempts to minimize the situation.
You can make different choices??? Fuck you. I could choose to ignore transphobia, sure, but that would be morally lazy, morally painful, and directly impact me and my loved ones. I’m not looking for reasons to be angry, you’re looking for reasons to delegitimize trans people.
If the only way you see transphobia is if someone is literally saying slurs, you’re missing a lot and you’re either dumb as hell or a covert transphobe yourself.
Your comment did not leave space for the possibility that what I am saying is true, and you did the basic thing that privileged people do where you tell a minority they’re just getting angry over nothing. You think I live in a state of outrage?? You live in a state of willful ignorance.
You’re disgusting 🤮🤮🤮🤮 literally revolting
And you’re just looking for a fight. You want to be a hero, so you’re manufacturing villains.
People spout transphobic, gender-critical language and arguments constantly. I’m describing transphobic bullshit that I regularly read. They have lines of arguments that would come straight out of JK Rowling’s mouth.
In which instance/communities?
As someone who’s a mod for a few LGBTQ specific comms on blahaj and is in the blahaj mod chat (keep in mind that I’m not an admin btw) I can confirm that there’s been some brigading of specifically this instance and it’s users (because it’s tied for position with hexbear as biggest trans focused instance on the lemmyverse, it’s widely federated so more visible to transphobes, and the users on hexbear are basically psychotic so anyone wanting to harass trans people tends to go for the squishier target of trans people here rather than go to hexbear and get dozens of replies telling them to post pictures of their dick, sending them pictures of a pig shitting itself and calling them a “hitlerite KKKracker” that deserve to be executed by firing squad and then being off and on harassed by the bears for the next two weeks) by transphobes in the past but normally it’s just one or two people doing it at once across a load of alts and they pretty quickly get banned. Also since the admins are in Australia, sometimes it takes a while for accounts to be removed and get site wide bans because admins are asleep when trolls from Europe and America are active so the transphobic comments get seen by more people before they get ban hammered.
At one point there was a pair of tiny instances that had open sign ups and literally no moderation that accounts were just being made on with the specific purpose of harassing trans users on here but they got defederated. By now, most of the overtly transphobic people have gotten bored though and stopped doing it.
There’s also the occasional problem with the sort of “i’m just asking questions” transphobic gender critical stuff the person you’re replying to was mentioning, but because that mainly comes from people using their actual long term accounts and not just trying to drive by harass users here, once they get banned they usually don’t tend to come back; since Lemmy’s growth has slowed now, a lot of the bad gender critical people have been banned by now and there’s not many new ones coming in.
TL;DR: there’s been problems with overt and covert transphobia in the past but it’s mostly been dealt with by now but we still get the occasional thing every now and again.
Thanks foryour thorough answer. I and I’m guessing manyothers experience lemmy as a very leftist space. Therefore I was a bit surprised when the other person claimed that transphobia was"rampant".
I talked to an overtly gender critical person like, a week or two ago?? A thing of the past? Crazy.
Calling gender critical people “soft transphobia” is such a huge misnomer. They’re not transphobia-lite, they’re STRONGLY transphobic but they are very skilled at crafting arguments in a way that don’t appear transphobic to people who aren’t versed in the rhetoric.
I don’t know man, honestly, just pay attention. Especially articles about trans women in sports - that’s a lightning rod topic for the transphobes.
What are you trying to accomplish here? Don’t actually answer that because I don’t care.This is exhausting. Being questioned and disbelieved about what I have seen as a trans person is not surprising but it’s exhausting and it’s frustrating to see your dumb ass comments about stop being so negative and making assumptions. That shit is so infuriating and absolutely patronizing to tell a member of a marginalized community, or anyone at all really.
Fuck you.
I am not debating you, I am telling you about my experience. You disbelieving me and giving me the third degree about this is a you problem.
Attack the ideas, not the user my dude.
Like - I’m genuinely sorry if that’s your exprience. I really am. And I’m not trying to question your experiences.
However: would you please adjust your fucking tone? It was an innocent question. I didn’t have the same experiences and was trying to get some info which communities house the people you’re talking about. I’m mostly on anarchist and linux communities which are usually quite welcoming to any lgbtq issues.
Also, as I’m assuming you didn’t notice: that was my first comment in this thread.