The Federal Communications Commission voted 3–2 to impose net neutrality rules today, restoring the common-carrier regulatory framework enforced during the Obama era and then abandoned while Trump was president.

The rules prohibit Internet service providers from blocking and throttling lawful content and ban paid prioritization.

“Consumers have made clear to us they do not want their broadband provider cutting sweetheart deals, with fast lanes for some services and slow lanes for others,” FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel said at today’s meeting.

  • @scoobford@lemmy.zip
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    738 months ago

    No reason they should exist in any day and age.

    Companies do not pay per packet. Paying more for more bandwidth or lower latency kind of makes sense because theoretically they may be prioritizing your traffic when the network is under too much load. But sending 16 petabytes costs exactly the same as 1kb in a month, assuming your connection is fast enough to handle 16 petabytes in a month.

    • @Trollception@lemmy.world
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      218 months ago

      True companies do not pay per packet but they do pay for the bandwidth. The more users that use more bandwidth consistently means the ISP needs to invest more money on throughput/links. If you have 100 users and they use 1 mbps on average you can get away with a 100mpbs link. If you have 5 users using 50mpbs on average now you need a gig link. So technically it’s not free but yeah bandwidth caps suck big time. My suggestion would be to pick a place to live near a city with a municipal broadband option.

      • @uis@lemmy.world
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        78 months ago

        The problem ISPs ask to pay BOTH for bandwidth and for packets. Which is double payment.

        • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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          28 months ago

          Kind of. They’re asking you to pay for maximum possible bandwidth but make no claims about how long you can use that max bandwidth. Packets are only a convenient way to measure a percentage of max bandwidth use over time.

          • @Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            58 months ago

            The way this works in the server world is “95th percentile” billing. They track your bandwidth usage over the course of the month (probably in 5 minute intervals), strike off the 5% highest peaks, and your bill for the month is based on the highest usage remaining.

            That’s considerably more honest than charging you based solely on the highest usage you could theoretically use at any time point in a 24 hour period (which is how ISPs define the “max bandwidth”) and then charging you again or cutting off your service if you use more than a certain amount they won’t even put in writing.

          • @uis@lemmy.world
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            8 months ago

            “You maybe will be able to use advertised bandwidth. As long as we want. Or maybe not.”

      • @scoobford@lemmy.zip
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        58 months ago

        We were supposed to build one here, but AT&T basically owns our city government lol.

        They announced the project wouldn’t be moving forward because they wouldn’t/couldn’t use imminent domain to lay fiber in peoples yards. They’ve used it to build 3 stadiums in the past 20 years, and knock down entire neighborhoods in the process. Literally bulldozed multiple square miles of city.

        I fucking hate it here. We gave the stadium owners a bunch of money this week to renovate their stadium for some reason.

    • KillingTimeItself
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      78 months ago

      it probably means that they would have to upgrade their little bunny hopping network technology that has about 300ms latency end to end, because god forbid you roll out a simple technology and have an easy time maintaining it.

      Which is probably why they do it.

      • @III@lemmy.world
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        78 months ago

        Upgrade infrastructure?! No, no. That money needs to go to shareholders. There’s no way millions of people need decent internet speeds more than shareholders need their 12th yacht.

        • KillingTimeItself
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          18 months ago

          you mean to tell me that rolling out fiber is cheap and that servicing it end to end is also cheap and that the latency and speeds it provides keeps customers happy meaning we have to spend less time dealing with them?

          That’s cool, call me when i care.

          sincerely, your local ISP.

    • @LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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      -28 months ago

      Right but if everyone sends 16 petabtyes a month the internet would collapse. Data caps do absolutely work to reduce bandwidth on a network scale. Bandwidth is measured in mbps. Limit the Mb and you reduce the necessary bandwidth.

      • KillingTimeItself
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        48 months ago

        but if everyone sent 16PB a month they would have some bomb ass connections as well, and i would sure hope as hell that it would hold up.

        I dont even want to calculate how fast a connection would need to be for that to be a datacap.

          • KillingTimeItself
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            38 months ago

            ok so basically fucking impossible. Cool.

            Even 10 gig would only net you 1 and a bit gigs.

            You would need 50 gig to saturate that properly.

      • @uis@lemmy.world
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        38 months ago

        For context 16 petabytes per month is about(slightly more than) 6 gigabytes per second. Also internet was designed during times when computers were super expensive and 100% utilization was norm.

      • @scoobford@lemmy.zip
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        28 months ago

        You already buy “up to” a certain speed. When the network is congested, you just deal with it.

        Trying to make people budget their internet usage is stupid and pointless.