I kind of wonder how viable it’d be to make a product that consists of:
A strong smartphone case, with structurally-strong “dock” connector at the bottom.
A “dock” – maybe in a couple different sizes – that links to this, has a pass-through USB-C hub, and adds stuff like a headphones jack. Maybe stick an integrated powerbank into any free space.
Smartphones don’t have standard dimensions at all, resulting in a zillion cases out there, but having the case with a standard “dock” attachment as a separate part would mean that you don’t have to build a million variations on the dock.
There are existing “put the smartphone in a dock” products, but they’re aimed at putting the phone on a desk, using it like a laptop. I dunno if there’s something comparable for just holding it. I haven’t seen anything like that.
From a purely-electrical standpoint, USB-C permits for a lot of devices to be added. But physically, on a smartphone, that means carrying other boxes. A “dock” that just extends the height of the phone would avoid that.
If the only thing you want is a headphones jack on a smartphone, I’d probably just get a small USB-C-to-1/8"-TRS adapter and leave it attached to the headphones; they can be pretty small.
I would like a phone that has a removable battery, user replaceable screen, and expandable storage. I think Framework would do well to add one or two of their modular slots on the phone since phones already have USB-C support. I would also love to see a phone keyboard similar to the PinePhone keyboard case but using USB-C instead of I2C. Such a case could also incorporate a USB-C dock, providing more Framework module slots or at least additional USB ports, video outputs, an extended capacity battery (using USB-PD to charge itself as well as the phone), and of course also being a tiny keyboard clamshell that fits in your pocket. It could also be nice if the phone could easily detach from said case for taking calls, as the PinePhone keyboard replaces the back cover and does not separate easily when needed.
phone keyboard similar to the PinePhone keyboard case
This doesn’t buy you a single device with a physical keyboard, but if you’re willing to tolerate a separate keyboard device, you can get those in smartphone form factor.
There are full-size keyboards that fold down to the size of a cell phone and fit in your pocket:
That won’t solve your issue if what you want to do is to be walking down the street and tapping away, but if the concern is intensive text-typing sessions when you’re sitting down, that can work.
There are also tiny keyboards that you can hold in your hand that’ll talk to the phone via Bluetooth:
I have some of those tiny keyboards, but the PinePhone keyboard case is far more convenient to use as a mini on the go PC than a separate keyboard. If such an all in one option existed for more powerful hardware it would be amazing. I love the idea of a phone that doubles as a true pocket laptop including connectivity options.
I love the idea of a phone that doubles as a true pocket laptop including connectivity options.
I haven’t looked recently, but you might try looking at Japan. They were way ahead of the US in the palmtop form factor. I remember boggling at what they had on the market – albeit expensive – about twenty years ago.
Japan has also been well below the US in personal computer ownership. My guess as to explaining those two facts – lack of personal computers, but availability of palmtops – is that a big part of available computer use time in Japan might be when someone is on mass transit. They’re willing to pay a premium for something usable there.
googles
I’m not seeing anything likely in a quick search, but there are some more-recent “UMPC” form factor devices from various companies that look kinda similar. Larger than the palmtops, so might be what you’re thinking of.
I have seen the GPD devices before and if they were a bit smaller (phone sized) and had cell capability maybe that would be a good option. As is, they are not small enough to be in a separate category than the Steam Deck IMO, and I already have a Steam Deck. I also like the idea of the keyboard being detachable as sometimes the phone form factor is desirable, like when holding it up to your ear.
calls - includes decent audio (looking at you Pinephone Pro)
texts - MMS group chat is a must
data
like 2 Android apps with low requirements (for me, it’s Okta and Slack for work)
all day battery doing the above
If I could get that and be able to run full desktop applications when docked, I’m sold. The Pinephone Pro looks super cool, but I’m not sure if MMS works and battery life is apparently pretty bad. I don’t even need a decent camera, though gaming a camera is useful to capture QR codes and whatnot.
I’m looking at getting a Pixel to use GrapheneOS, but I’d buy a framework phone with good hardware if it was available.
Calls - Must support VoLTE, preferably VoWiFi, audio quality has to at least be listenable but I rarely use calls for anything other than authenticators
Texts - MMS not super important, I only use texts as a last resort
Data
Waydroid support (mainly for the Discord app, possibly Teams for work)
Browser for most other services
Desktop Linux applications on-device
Good camera, doesn’t have to be the best but it needs to have one
Lots of local storage, preferably expandable
Connectivity (USB-C with video out support preferably)
I already have plenty of ways of running desktop applications on big screens. I have a laptop, I have a desktop, I have a Steam Deck. However, my phone is always on me and those devices aren’t. Linux phone is awesome because I can always have the applications I need literally in the palm of my hand, and if not they’re just an apk or flatpak install away. I’ve been working on tweaks and utilities to make the experience of using desktop applications easier on mobile Linux, including a virtual mouse using the touchscreen and now working on a Phosh plugin to quickly change screen scaling. A pocket keyboard accessory would make using said desktop applications even easier. I’ve done quite a bit of coding, compiling, and dabbled in image editing on my mobile devices.
My daily driver phones at the moment are a OnePlus 6 running stock Android (because Linux isn’t quite 100% yet) and a OnePlus 6T running postmarketOS. I got a cheap Mint SIM in both phones. Android phone for my calls, texts, camera, and occasional Google apps (mainly maps) usage. Linux phone for everything else, mainly my pocket computer on the go. I used to carry the PinePhone with keyboard, but even with the keyboard case the battery life was awful and it got super hot and it was slow. The OnePlus 6T with pmOS gets surprisingly good battery life. I can’t daily drive the 6T due to the lack of VoLTE, which means calling falls back on the 2G network which they are shutting down very soon. Luckily, someone is working on reverse engineering VoLTE bringup and released a proof of concept daemon to enable it. I’ve successfully made VoLTE calls but it doesn’t always enable and audio sometimes breaks.
I feel like the Pinephone Pro is super close to being what I want, so I think Framework could totally take it the rest of the way. They could ship with AOSP, but also support Linux mobile as well.
I’m a developer and I’m totally willing to help with the rest of the little things, but it needs to fulfill my basic requirements first. If parts are easy to replace (e.g. upgrade the camera by sliding in a new one w/ USB-C), I’d pay a premium for it even if the actual functionality kinda sucks.
I kind of wonder how viable it’d be to make a product that consists of:
A strong smartphone case, with structurally-strong “dock” connector at the bottom.
A “dock” – maybe in a couple different sizes – that links to this, has a pass-through USB-C hub, and adds stuff like a headphones jack. Maybe stick an integrated powerbank into any free space.
Smartphones don’t have standard dimensions at all, resulting in a zillion cases out there, but having the case with a standard “dock” attachment as a separate part would mean that you don’t have to build a million variations on the dock.
There are existing “put the smartphone in a dock” products, but they’re aimed at putting the phone on a desk, using it like a laptop. I dunno if there’s something comparable for just holding it. I haven’t seen anything like that.
From a purely-electrical standpoint, USB-C permits for a lot of devices to be added. But physically, on a smartphone, that means carrying other boxes. A “dock” that just extends the height of the phone would avoid that.
If the only thing you want is a headphones jack on a smartphone, I’d probably just get a small USB-C-to-1/8"-TRS adapter and leave it attached to the headphones; they can be pretty small.
I would like a phone that has a removable battery, user replaceable screen, and expandable storage. I think Framework would do well to add one or two of their modular slots on the phone since phones already have USB-C support. I would also love to see a phone keyboard similar to the PinePhone keyboard case but using USB-C instead of I2C. Such a case could also incorporate a USB-C dock, providing more Framework module slots or at least additional USB ports, video outputs, an extended capacity battery (using USB-PD to charge itself as well as the phone), and of course also being a tiny keyboard clamshell that fits in your pocket. It could also be nice if the phone could easily detach from said case for taking calls, as the PinePhone keyboard replaces the back cover and does not separate easily when needed.
This doesn’t buy you a single device with a physical keyboard, but if you’re willing to tolerate a separate keyboard device, you can get those in smartphone form factor.
There are full-size keyboards that fold down to the size of a cell phone and fit in your pocket:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=folding+keyboard
That won’t solve your issue if what you want to do is to be walking down the street and tapping away, but if the concern is intensive text-typing sessions when you’re sitting down, that can work.
There are also tiny keyboards that you can hold in your hand that’ll talk to the phone via Bluetooth:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=handheld+keyboard
You can get phone cases that hold both such a keyboard and the phone:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=phone+case+keyboard
I have some of those tiny keyboards, but the PinePhone keyboard case is far more convenient to use as a mini on the go PC than a separate keyboard. If such an all in one option existed for more powerful hardware it would be amazing. I love the idea of a phone that doubles as a true pocket laptop including connectivity options.
I haven’t looked recently, but you might try looking at Japan. They were way ahead of the US in the palmtop form factor. I remember boggling at what they had on the market – albeit expensive – about twenty years ago.
Japan has also been well below the US in personal computer ownership. My guess as to explaining those two facts – lack of personal computers, but availability of palmtops – is that a big part of available computer use time in Japan might be when someone is on mass transit. They’re willing to pay a premium for something usable there.
googles
I’m not seeing anything likely in a quick search, but there are some more-recent “UMPC” form factor devices from various companies that look kinda similar. Larger than the palmtops, so might be what you’re thinking of.
https://gpd.hk/gpdpocket3
https://store.planetcom.co.uk/
I have seen the GPD devices before and if they were a bit smaller (phone sized) and had cell capability maybe that would be a good option. As is, they are not small enough to be in a separate category than the Steam Deck IMO, and I already have a Steam Deck. I also like the idea of the keyboard being detachable as sometimes the phone form factor is desirable, like when holding it up to your ear.
Yup. All I need from a phone is:
If I could get that and be able to run full desktop applications when docked, I’m sold. The Pinephone Pro looks super cool, but I’m not sure if MMS works and battery life is apparently pretty bad. I don’t even need a decent camera, though gaming a camera is useful to capture QR codes and whatnot.
I’m looking at getting a Pixel to use GrapheneOS, but I’d buy a framework phone with good hardware if it was available.
I want a phone that:
I already have plenty of ways of running desktop applications on big screens. I have a laptop, I have a desktop, I have a Steam Deck. However, my phone is always on me and those devices aren’t. Linux phone is awesome because I can always have the applications I need literally in the palm of my hand, and if not they’re just an apk or flatpak install away. I’ve been working on tweaks and utilities to make the experience of using desktop applications easier on mobile Linux, including a virtual mouse using the touchscreen and now working on a Phosh plugin to quickly change screen scaling. A pocket keyboard accessory would make using said desktop applications even easier. I’ve done quite a bit of coding, compiling, and dabbled in image editing on my mobile devices.
My daily driver phones at the moment are a OnePlus 6 running stock Android (because Linux isn’t quite 100% yet) and a OnePlus 6T running postmarketOS. I got a cheap Mint SIM in both phones. Android phone for my calls, texts, camera, and occasional Google apps (mainly maps) usage. Linux phone for everything else, mainly my pocket computer on the go. I used to carry the PinePhone with keyboard, but even with the keyboard case the battery life was awful and it got super hot and it was slow. The OnePlus 6T with pmOS gets surprisingly good battery life. I can’t daily drive the 6T due to the lack of VoLTE, which means calling falls back on the 2G network which they are shutting down very soon. Luckily, someone is working on reverse engineering VoLTE bringup and released a proof of concept daemon to enable it. I’ve successfully made VoLTE calls but it doesn’t always enable and audio sometimes breaks.
I feel like the Pinephone Pro is super close to being what I want, so I think Framework could totally take it the rest of the way. They could ship with AOSP, but also support Linux mobile as well.
I’m a developer and I’m totally willing to help with the rest of the little things, but it needs to fulfill my basic requirements first. If parts are easy to replace (e.g. upgrade the camera by sliding in a new one w/ USB-C), I’d pay a premium for it even if the actual functionality kinda sucks.
I would pay a stupid amount of money for one that sits on the back and slides out the side in landscape.