• @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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    39 months ago

    You only addressed half the statement. They are not saying that Israel doesn’t take civilian hostages. They are questioning the claim that Hamas doesn’t take civilian hostages. Follow the thread please.

    • @aleph@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Is there any evidence that Hamas has taken new hostages since October 7th? Because AFAIK there isn’t.

      • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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        49 months ago

        A temporal attribute has not been included in this statement:

        Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

        But you have added a temporal qualifier:

        taken new hostages since October 7th

        I think maybe that’s where the disconnect is? I don’t know. I don’t know who or what you’re arguing against.

        • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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          09 months ago

          No you are changing the statement yourself. The statement is

          Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

          Israel is widely kidnapping mostly innocent civilians whereas Hamas very much targeted military for kidnapping.

          This is as obvious as the lower than 2/3 civilian casualty rate for Hamas whereas israel has a far higher civilian casualty rate.

          • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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            09 months ago

            Sources? Do I even want your sources at this point…last time I asked for evidence you gave me a verbal statement by the prime minister and that was good enough in your book. You really don’t need much convincing when the evidence aligns with your bias, do you?

              • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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                9 months ago

                I’m realizing that either your intentionally ignoring what I’m saying or English is not your first language.

                Your standard of evidence was a quote by Benjamin Netanyahu

                For honest people one off quotes do not constitute evidence.

                So yes: I reject your standard for proof because it is very low

        • @aleph@lemm.ee
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          9 months ago

          The temporal qualifier is inherent in the grammar of the statement. Perhaps you didn’t notice it?

          In English, the present perfect continuous has/hasn’t been taking implies a frequent and repeated action since a fixed time in the past - in this case, presumably, the start of the current conflict until now.

          Since Hamas only took civilian hostages on one occasion, i.e. October 7th, and not again since, it is not true to say that Hamas “has been taking hostages”. They took hostages. Once.

          Israel, on the other hand, have been taking Palestinian civilians captive, repeatedly, since October 7th. That’s the difference.

          • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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            19 months ago

            You’re inferring the start point for the perfect continuous and assigning Oct 7; I’m assigning the start point to be the overall conflict in a broader context. I’m being charitable. I might be wrong, but I can’t read OPs mind so I’m being charitable.

            • @aleph@lemm.ee
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              29 months ago

              In that case, they would have used the present simple, “Hamas don’t take hostages”, but they didn’t.

              I think you simply misunderstood the original statement.