• Flying SquidM
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    359 months ago

    You mean Israel went into negotiations making unreasonable demands? Like almost every other time?

    • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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      79 months ago

      Oh come on. What kind of “return elderly people, pregnant women and other feeble hostages” is unreasonable demand? What would be reasonable demand? Keep them forever. Abuse them?

      • Flying SquidM
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        -39 months ago

        Why do you think those people would have survived six months of sustained bombing?

        • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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          19 months ago

          If they cared about negotiations, they would have kept them save. Which apparently they don’t. Now they don’t have any leverage.

            • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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              29 months ago

              They kept themselves safe. There are bunch of tunnels or they could say here’s a hostage here don’t bomb this place.

              • Flying SquidM
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                -29 months ago

                If Hamas is able to keep themselves save from six months of Israeli bombing, maybe Israel shouldn’t have spent six months bombing Gaza and killing over 10,000 children.

                So based on your own claims, Israel is far better at killing innocent people than Hamas could even hope to be.

                • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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                  29 months ago

                  Maybe they shouldn’t have kidnapped and killed people in the first place if they didn’t want retribution.

                  • Flying SquidM
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                    -19 months ago

                    They are not getting the retribution based on your own claim.

                    Unless you think those 13,000+ children are all in Hamas.

    • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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      29 months ago

      What are the demands of each side? Can we lay them out and compare? Or do we know already that Hamas demands are reasonable? Do we always have to take sides? I personally want what’s best for the Palestinian people so I want a ceasefire and return to negotiations. But this partisan flailing isn’t helping the cause. Unless of course we’re ok sacrificing more Palestinians? I don’t get it.

      • Flying SquidM
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        29 months ago

        Do sides have to be taken in a negotiation?

        I would say yes. That’s the whole point of a negotiation.

        • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Should we grant:

          • A. Both sides be reasonable?
          • B. Only Israel should be reasonable?
          • C. Only Hamas should be reasonable?
          • D. None of the above.

          I just don’t understand why you’re calling out only one party?

          • Flying SquidM
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            49 months ago

            Because one party is demanding something the other party says it doesn’t have.

            • @Zomg@lemmy.world
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              Problem I think is why they don’t have them now if they had them at some point.

              Unless they never had them to begin with; having people and now no longer having them points to killing them which, surprise, hurts negotiation.

              Who knows though, Israel might of taken them for innocent Palestinians and did it to themselves :(

            • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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              09 months ago

              THEY SHOULD HAVE, but they said they don’t. Some 130 people are still missing. That means they killed hostages. Plain and simple. The request was to return first 40 hostages which should include all the women, elderly and others in a need of care, then fill whatever is left up to 40 with men. Then negotiations can start.

              So, there are no hostages anymore. They either raped them to death or tortured them to death. And now Israel’s retribution will get even worse.

              • Flying SquidM
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                -19 months ago

                Or Israel killed them. Why isn’t that a possibility? Did a force field go up around them while Israel bombed all the places they claimed were Hamas locations?

                • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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                  19 months ago

                  That’s bullshit excuse. If I hold you in front of oncoming bullets, I killed you, not whoever shot the bullets. If you jump in front of a car you killed yourself. Driver didn’t kill you.

                  • @Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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                    09 months ago

                    Except Hamas didn’t hold them in front of bullets, Israel intentionally targeted places they were likely to be held because they were going after Hamas with no regard for casualties.

                    Let’s not forget they shot their own people who had escaped and were waiving a white flag while trying to get back to Israeli forces. Claiming Israel has killed their own people being held hostage isn’t bullshit, it’s literally a matter of record. And that’s not even the only instance you can find being reported, there’s a report from March 1st saying another 7 hostages were killed.

                    If you jump in front of a car you killed yourself. Driver didn’t kill you.

                    What if the driver ran up on the curb to hit the guy next to you? That’s absolutely the drivers fault.

      • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        19 months ago

        We can. Hamas has been very clear. End the blockade. Remove troops from West Bank. Recognize a Palestinian state. Allow Palestinian refugees to return. Release Palestinians being held without charge. (hostages but with a nicer veneer)

        Israel wants their people back.

        Those are the two positions.

        • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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          29 months ago

          So from the “River to the sea” has been taken out of Hamas charter? What does their charter state as their key objective now?

          • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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            09 months ago

            The 1969 borders. They still vote to resist Israel but they did actually change the charter in 2018.