I can get behind murder. I feel like this, to some extend, is a genuine part of human behaviour. Even the horrific aftermath of such. But genocide truly feels inhuman to me. So I can never fundamentally understand how in history, civilizations went from point A to point B to Point Genocide. Any thoughts on this?

  • livus
    3•8 months ago

    @modeler thanks, interesting info, esp the Yamnaya Y thing!

    I realise I might sound a bit no true Scotsman but I don’t really see anything that doesn’t already arise before farming and granaries as being inherent in human nature.

    Anything we adopted that late in the game can be un-adopted.

    • @modeler@lemmy.world
      3•8 months ago

      As I was discussing this with my partner we summarised this as:

      Humans have always had the capacity for violence and murder; as populations grew, acts of violence could be larger, both in terms of number of combatants and also length of time of continuous fighting. This is a progression of:

      • Small bands of people skirmishing with neighbours to
      • Towns sending small raiding bands to
      • Cities fielding an army for a summer campaign to
      • Empires furnishing professional armies and sending them on multi-year campaigns, to
      • Nation states using advanced logistics to maintain millions of soldiers in the field for years at a time.

      Somewhere between city-states and full modern nation states, there have been full on campaigns of genocide. But genocide can be thought here definitionally as only possible with some significant number of people.

      Unfortunately there is a deep dark part of the human psyche that has always been with us.