• @Syn_Attck@lemmy.today
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    I believe you may be misinformed. Surely not blatantly making things up to fit your narrative?

    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

    Based on data compiled by the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program, it found that while Black people make up 13% of the U.S. population, they were 33% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crime (NVC), which includes rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and other assaults. Black people were 36% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes (SNVC), including rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

    Similarly, Hispanics make up 18% of the US population and were 21% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes. Whites, who are 60% of the population, were 46% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crimes, and 39% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes.

    The designation “Black” and “white” often did not include those who are Hispanic. In 9% of single-offender incidents and 12% of multiple-offender incidents, the victim was unable to tell whether the offender was Hispanic.

    https://bjs.ojp.gov/data-collection/ncvs

    In 2021, crime victimization rates were higher in urban than rural areas. In urban settings, 24.5 out of 1,000 people aged 12 or older reported being the victims of violent crimes, and 157.5 reported being the victims of property crimes. In rural settings, those figures were 11.1 and 57.7, respectively. How many people report being victims of crime?

    In 2021, more than 4.5 million violent incidents involving victims ages 12 and older were self-reported in the US in the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). In the same year, 11.7 million property victimizations were also reported, according to the Criminal Victimization report from the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    Despite this, US crime victimization rates have been on an overall downward trend since 1995. The DOJ tracks crime victimization data by location, which shows how trends vary for urban, suburban, and rural areas. One common narrative is that urban crime victimization rates exceed those in rural areas — and this is true, based on the data.

    • @Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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      Arrests and convictions are not a valid proxy for violent acts or crimes committed. If you knew absolutely anything about this area of study you’d be aware of that. Have fun with your willful ignorance.

        • @Syn_Attck@lemmy.today
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          Thanks for being reasonably-minded.

          If nothing else, I’m finding discussions like these helpful in curating my Lemmy experience. If someone is spreading misinformation, ignoring evidence to the contrary, and refuses to provide an argument as to why they feel the way to do, even if it’s only a rationalization, then it’s clear they’re not (yet) capable of debate with critical thought and without emotions and social conditioning blinding them. I’ve never been one to block people but Lemmy is infested with groupthink in a way I’d never thought possible, it’s beyond reddit.

          Also any snark is highly frowned upon, unless it’s in favor of the groupthink, so that’s my own fault.

          • @PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works
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            Yeah, this place can be kind of particular. I tend to stay quiet on shit I don’t align with 100%. This is just something that’s well studied with good data. If people refuse to accept reality we can’t really fix shit.

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        So the victims say the perpetrator is a white man; police arrest black male. I’ll wait for you to link to the 4 times that’s happened as if it’s a checkmate.

        I’m sure you have the added statistics for convictions and they fully support what you’re saying. Pray tell, because your urban vs. rural assumptions on violence is clearly not supported by the evidence.

        Convictions show the same? Curious about your reasoning for that, that doesn’t sound wildly racist.

        If we’re not going off of facts (statics of arrests and convictions) then what are we going off of? Feelings? I’m more than willing to have my mind changed if you can provide an argument that rural white men are the most dangerous group, as long as it’s based on more than feelings and hearsay. A black man in urban attire walking into a sunset town of 100 people has the same result as a white man in a suit walking down a dangerous inner-city street. Same cause of effect: human nature.

        At the risk of sounding racist, I think it’s quite obvious that when you buy a foreign people from their homeland as a commodity (sold largely in part by warlords and warring tribes of the same race, by the way), treat them as chattle (literally) and forbid any written or oral history of their culture or familial past, while raping the women and killing the babies or selling them off, creating extreme intergenerational trauma, hatred, and injustice, and then continue treating them like shit even after the law says you can no longer treat them as less than human…

        You may have a societal problem on your hands that doesn’t resolve itself in a measly few generations. A societal problem that results in higher rates of violence.

        We need better support in this country in so many aspects. For women and men of all races and creeds. But until we break away from being an overly materialistic consumerist society, that won’t change. What we don’t need is a distortion of reality to fit a false narrative.