Former President Trump has maintained his lead over President Biden in the critical swing state of Georgia, according to a new poll. The survey from Emerson College Polling/The Hill found Tru…
There’s a lot of propaganda surrounding how badly Biden failed on his agenda (on purpose apparently, constituting a betrayal of everyone who voted for him which justifies not voting for him in the future).
The thing is, it isn’t true. He took the biggest action on climate change in American history, he forgave $138 billion in student loans, he put in a bill to legalize marijuana federally (which the Republicans defeated) and pardoned anyone in federal prison for marijuana, he took massive action on the economy that was focused on the working class instead of Wall Street (to the point unemployment is the lowest it’s been in 20 years even though we were still digging out from Covid when he took office). The talking-point version is, more or less, simply made up.
You’re saying that because Manchin blocked the original half-trillion dollar climate bill, and we then did a second round and passed a modified climate bill which still treats the issue as a genuine priority for the first time in American history and attempts to put us on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, that Biden “ran around” and lied and betrayed the voters of Georgia and doesn’t deserve a vote. Yes? Is that what you’re claiming, do I have it right?
The thing is, it isn’t true. He took the biggest action on climate change in American history,
Did he?
America has literally never produced as much fossil fuels as we have when Biden has been president.
he forgave $138 billion in student loan
Sounds like a lot, but not even a rounding error in total student loan debt, and the system is still broken. Biden s excuse for not forgiving all, was saying it was pointless till college is cheaper. He did nothing to make college cheaper, and is throwing out crumbs.
he put in a bill to legalize marijuana federally (which the Republicans defeated)
He could order it descheduled and be done before the week is over… That’s what he said he’d do, he hasn’t done that. And before someone says “Biden can’t control federal agencies” he just forced all agencies to do a return to office because Republicans were complaining about telework.
and pardoned anyone in federal prison for marijuana,
Since he won’t deschedule, more people keep getting arrested.
he took massive action on the economy that was focused on the working class instead of Wall Street
Most of “the economy” is about the wealthiest accumulating a shit ton of wealth and record fossil fuels.production, that doesn’t help the working class, we’re still all fucked.
the point unemployment is the lowest it’s been in 20 year
It’s actually exactly the same as the month before Biden took office…
I’ve had this conversation so many times that I’m just gonna link to earlier responses that apply to this message (edit: I screwed up my links initially; they’re fixed or the messages just pasted now). You said none of my points were true, so I’ll actually give a response to each and every one:
America has literally never produced as much fossil fuels as we have when Biden has been president.
How I analyze Biden’s climate performance (on track for 40%) is in the message you’re responding to; you can disagree with that number obviously but please either address the actual relevant performance-measurement number, or explain why you think that’s not a good way to measure a climate bill.
Sounds like a lot, but not even a rounding error in total student loan debt, and the system is still broken.
(Edit: I can’t link easily to the deleted thread. Response:)
That’s an excellent point - it is absurd to talk in terms of “I can’t support Joe Biden because there are still items on my progressive wish list where he isn’t a clear enough improvement over the historical norm.” The fact that he’s objectively a huge step forward as pertains to climate change / student loans / marijuana legalization / etc, is a good reason to vote for him for as long as he’s a clear improvement (over the norm, let alone over the horrifying alternative in this particular election). While yes obviously continuing to work to move things forward towards real continued progress because we need more on top of that.
It’s a good point, and I’m glad you brought it up.
He could order it descheduled and be done before the week is over… That’s what he said he’d do, he hasn’t done that.
(Edit: Pasted response:)
Good spot! I did in fact fail to mention that in addition to the federal marijuana legalization bill, and pardons for anyone in federal prison for possession, Biden did in fact do exactly what you’re not holding your breath for, ordering a reevaluation of the scheduling of marijuana. It’s a little bit of an empty priority, since just lowering its classification level would still leave it on the “illegal drug” list and doesn’t do much for anyone who’s in a state prison for breaking a state law, i.e. the DEA dragging its feet on actually doing it isn’t enough of a priority to spend time and political capital on.
I could go on about how numbskulled it is to give the Biden administration a hard time for not doing enough to overcome Republican resistance to the big progressive steps they are taking, while simultaneously claiming that he’s deliberately doing nothing and that he’s functionally the same as the party that’s fighting to obstruct him (with some level of success). But I already made that point.
Most of “the economy” is about the wealthiest accumulating a shit ton of wealth and record fossil fuels.production, that doesn’t help the working class, we’re still all fucked.
I’m gonna make a “bad faith bingo” game where one of the squares is labeled “nihilism”.
It’s actually exactly the same as the month before Biden took office…
And Biden deserves no credit for unemployment returning to pre-Covid levels after the economic apocalypse which was 2020, down to a low of 3.4% which was never seen on that particular chart previously?
You’re gonna have to give me some more details on what you’re claiming here.
No, I’m explaining why Biden doesn’t have the support he had 4 years ago…
While we still have time for Biden’s campaign team to do something.
If you plan a picnic and it rains, are you going to go yell at the weatherman who predicted it because he said it was going to happen?
He tried to warn you. And by your logic that means he not only wanted it to happen, he somehow caused it to happen…
I thought about including “I’m on your side, I’m helping!” in Bad Faith Bingo. I had decided it wasn’t worth including but maybe I should include it after all. If you are trying to help the Biden campaign, a good start would be to stop lying in this particular engineered-talking-point way about what he’s accomplished with his time in office.
Your links are bad, they make people login to some random instance to view.
Although I doubt I’m missing much, wanted to let you know you’re doing links wrong.
Not sure why you couldn’t get my link to work, or where your numbers are coming from. Mine are from an official government website that tracks unemployment…
Oops. You are correct; I didn’t know the software worked like that. I fixed one link to lemmy.world, and just pasted the text of the other two (since it’s difficult to link to messages in the deleted thread.)
Not sure why you couldn’t get my link to work, or where your numbers are coming from. Mine are from an official government website that tracks unemployment…
Yes. These are your numbers:
Want to explain?
(Edit: I’m not surprised they don’t want to explain)
Not just that, they’re literally all not true even within the weird little cherry-pick framework.
$138 billion is about 8% of total student loan debt outstanding for everyone for all years, which means yes it’s far from the whole thing, but it’s also not a rounding error or a small amount to just whoopsie-daisy out of the federal budget. And saying it’s all Biden’s fault he didn’t use his magic wand to create another trillion and a half dollars to clear the balance in full, it means he doesn’t care so I can’t support him as a result is… well, par for the course for this type of argument I guess.
(Oh, and actually he tried to forgive around half a trillion dollars in loan debt, but the Supreme Court which it doesn’t matter who nominates justices for because both sides are the same, told him no.)
And he did order it descheduled over a year ago, see the discussion below
And by “exactly the same” bro means reduced by half, see the screenshots below from bro’s own source
There’s a lot of propaganda surrounding how badly Biden failed on his agenda (on purpose apparently, constituting a betrayal of everyone who voted for him which justifies not voting for him in the future).
The thing is, it isn’t true. He took the biggest action on climate change in American history, he forgave $138 billion in student loans, he put in a bill to legalize marijuana federally (which the Republicans defeated) and pardoned anyone in federal prison for marijuana, he took massive action on the economy that was focused on the working class instead of Wall Street (to the point unemployment is the lowest it’s been in 20 years even though we were still digging out from Covid when he took office). The talking-point version is, more or less, simply made up.
You’re saying that because Manchin blocked the original half-trillion dollar climate bill, and we then did a second round and passed a modified climate bill which still treats the issue as a genuine priority for the first time in American history and attempts to put us on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, that Biden “ran around” and lied and betrayed the voters of Georgia and doesn’t deserve a vote. Yes? Is that what you’re claiming, do I have it right?
Did he?
America has literally never produced as much fossil fuels as we have when Biden has been president.
Sounds like a lot, but not even a rounding error in total student loan debt, and the system is still broken. Biden s excuse for not forgiving all, was saying it was pointless till college is cheaper. He did nothing to make college cheaper, and is throwing out crumbs.
He could order it descheduled and be done before the week is over… That’s what he said he’d do, he hasn’t done that. And before someone says “Biden can’t control federal agencies” he just forced all agencies to do a return to office because Republicans were complaining about telework.
Since he won’t deschedule, more people keep getting arrested.
Most of “the economy” is about the wealthiest accumulating a shit ton of wealth and record fossil fuels.production, that doesn’t help the working class, we’re still all fucked.
It’s actually exactly the same as the month before Biden took office…
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
So…
None of the points you just made were true…
Most voters probably won’t recognize all of it was bullshit, but they’d recognize a few and doubt everything else.
Edit:
No, I’m explaining why Biden doesn’t have the support he had 4 years ago…
While we still have time for Biden’s campaign team to do something.
If you plan a picnic and it rains, are you going to go yell at the weatherman who predicted it because he said it was going to happen?
He tried to warn you. And by your logic that means he not only wanted it to happen, he somehow caused it to happen…
I’ve had this conversation so many times that I’m just gonna link to earlier responses that apply to this message (edit: I screwed up my links initially; they’re fixed or the messages just pasted now). You said none of my points were true, so I’ll actually give a response to each and every one:
How I feel about this argument (edit: fixed the link)
How I analyze Biden’s climate performance (on track for 40%) is in the message you’re responding to; you can disagree with that number obviously but please either address the actual relevant performance-measurement number, or explain why you think that’s not a good way to measure a climate bill.
(Edit: I can’t link easily to the deleted thread. Response:)
That’s an excellent point - it is absurd to talk in terms of “I can’t support Joe Biden because there are still items on my progressive wish list where he isn’t a clear enough improvement over the historical norm.” The fact that he’s objectively a huge step forward as pertains to climate change / student loans / marijuana legalization / etc, is a good reason to vote for him for as long as he’s a clear improvement (over the norm, let alone over the horrifying alternative in this particular election). While yes obviously continuing to work to move things forward towards real continued progress because we need more on top of that.
It’s a good point, and I’m glad you brought it up.
(Edit: Pasted response:)
Good spot! I did in fact fail to mention that in addition to the federal marijuana legalization bill, and pardons for anyone in federal prison for possession, Biden did in fact do exactly what you’re not holding your breath for, ordering a reevaluation of the scheduling of marijuana. It’s a little bit of an empty priority, since just lowering its classification level would still leave it on the “illegal drug” list and doesn’t do much for anyone who’s in a state prison for breaking a state law, i.e. the DEA dragging its feet on actually doing it isn’t enough of a priority to spend time and political capital on.
I could go on about how numbskulled it is to give the Biden administration a hard time for not doing enough to overcome Republican resistance to the big progressive steps they are taking, while simultaneously claiming that he’s deliberately doing nothing and that he’s functionally the same as the party that’s fighting to obstruct him (with some level of success). But I already made that point.
I’m gonna make a “bad faith bingo” game where one of the squares is labeled “nihilism”.
…
It’s exactly the same as 6.7% in December 2020?
And Biden deserves no credit for unemployment returning to pre-Covid levels after the economic apocalypse which was 2020, down to a low of 3.4% which was never seen on that particular chart previously?
You’re gonna have to give me some more details on what you’re claiming here.
I thought about including “I’m on your side, I’m helping!” in Bad Faith Bingo. I had decided it wasn’t worth including but maybe I should include it after all. If you are trying to help the Biden campaign, a good start would be to stop lying in this particular engineered-talking-point way about what he’s accomplished with his time in office.
Your links are bad, they make people login to some random instance to view.
Although I doubt I’m missing much, wanted to let you know you’re doing links wrong.
Not sure why you couldn’t get my link to work, or where your numbers are coming from. Mine are from an official government website that tracks unemployment…
Oops. You are correct; I didn’t know the software worked like that. I fixed one link to lemmy.world, and just pasted the text of the other two (since it’s difficult to link to messages in the deleted thread.)
Yes. These are your numbers:
Want to explain?
(Edit: I’m not surprised they don’t want to explain)
that semi-walled-off aspect of kbin/mbin give me real “ick”.
What dishonest communication, none of these points dismiss the truth of what was posted.
Not just that, they’re literally all not true even within the weird little cherry-pick framework.
$138 billion is about 8% of total student loan debt outstanding for everyone for all years, which means yes it’s far from the whole thing, but it’s also not a rounding error or a small amount to just whoopsie-daisy out of the federal budget. And saying it’s all Biden’s fault he didn’t use his magic wand to create another trillion and a half dollars to clear the balance in full, it means he doesn’t care so I can’t support him as a result is… well, par for the course for this type of argument I guess.
(Oh, and actually he tried to forgive around half a trillion dollars in loan debt, but the Supreme Court which it doesn’t matter who nominates justices for because both sides are the same, told him no.)
And he did order it descheduled over a year ago, see the discussion below
And by “exactly the same” bro means reduced by half, see the screenshots below from bro’s own source
Oh so gratifying to read some serious consideration this morning, thanks for taking the time to share it.