• Neuromancer
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    -39 months ago

    It is a numbers game. Russia has more cannon fodder. The Russians didn’t defeat germany by being better, they defeated Germany by throwing more people at the problem.

    Who will back Russia? North Korea, Iran, and possibly China.

    If we are distracted in Ukraine, North Korea can invade South Korea, Iran can stir the pot, and China will take Taiwan. All places where we have treaties to prevent just that from happening. Our military is not designed to fight on that many fronts at once.

    • @fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
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      99 months ago

      Just because Russia has a larger population doesn’t mean they can use it how they want. Ukrainians want to fight and defend their home and families, there’s nothing like that in the Russian military.

      The US could commit some forces to Ukraine without weakening their ability to defend Taiwan.

      I agree that’s the big picture though. Those authoritarian governments, with some support from BRICS and other dictatorships like Venezuela, are challenging the US-Euro hegemony.

      • Neuromancer
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        -89 months ago

        They’ve been doing it for years how they want. Putin doesn’t like when people disagree. I’ve never seen so many people accidentally fall out of windows.

        Until you see units refusing to go to war, my point stands.

        • @Tinidril@midwest.social
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          59 months ago

          Russia was literally forcing poorly equipped and even more poorly trained prisoners to rush at the enemy and absorb bullets.

          As for units refusing to fight, we have seen second line Russians mowing down front line Russians trying to escape the battlefield. There have also been recent reports of Russian pilots sabotaging their own aircraft to keep themselves from flying dangerous missions. Of course there were also the Wagner troops that started marching on Moscow.

            • @Tinidril@midwest.social
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              39 months ago

              Why are you starting from an assumption that soldiers are somehow oblivious to the tragedies of war?

              If your such a peacenic, then you should not be rewarding attempts at territorial acquisition by warfare. Every death in this mess can be laid at the feet of Putin and his supporters.

        • @fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
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          19 months ago

          There have been many people refusing to fight for the Kremlin. They have a blocking line that kills their soldiers if they turn around… that’s their level or morale.

          • Neuromancer
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            09 months ago

            That is Russia being Russia. They did that in ww2.

            Not sure how “historical” everything is but they showed that in enemy at the gates. That really was a shocking scene.

            • @fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
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              19 months ago

              Yeah, I feel bad for the young men forced into the trenches.

              We learned from WWII that appeasement doesn’t work, and that democracies need to stand together to defend our freedom.

              • Neuromancer
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                09 months ago

                We also learned in ww2 that most countries are not thankful for us helping them in their wars. We have a large ocean between us and everyone else. I’m fine letting Europe solve European problems.

                • @fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
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                  19 months ago

                  WWII propelled the US to it’s current position as the only real superpower. The US benefited tremendously in some critical ways.

                  Also, the bigger of the oceans between the countries didn’t stop Japan from destroying a huge portion of the US Navy. If they weren’t proactive in responding, it could have been much, much worse. Japan could have solidified it’s initial gains and used the territory and resources to grow even stronger, and the Nazis weren’t far from having the bomb.

                  Isolationism is a nice ideal in some ways, but it’s not viable anymore.

                  • Neuromancer
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                    -19 months ago

                    The Nazis were far from having the bomb. They talk about this in Oppenheimer.

    • @Mirshe@lemmy.world
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      39 months ago

      NK invading SK would be roundly crushed in an afternoon by the carrier group posted there SPECIFICALLY to prevent that from happening, not to mention SK forces themselves.

      Taiwan is in the middle of building up their forces again, we have forces in the region ready and able to assist (posted there, again, specifically to deter Chinese aggression), and we have ally forces across southeast Asia, including Vietnam, New Zealand, and Australia, who are willing and able to come help if needed.

      Iran? Seriously? They’re still having trouble keeping a lid on their own populace last I checked. And if they “stir the pot” by aiding Palestine or Yemen…well, Israel has been looking for a good reason to simply wipe Iran from the map for the last several decades.

      • Neuromancer
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        -79 months ago

        NK invading SK would be roundly crushed in an afternoon by the carrier group posted there SPECIFICALLY to prevent that from happening, not to mention SK forces themselves.

        I would like to see which military war game has ever shown that. I have never seen that at all. Can you please show the citation for that since it contradicts everything I have ever read on the topic.

        aiwan is in the middle of building up their forces again, we have forces in the region ready and able to assist (posted there, again, specifically to deter Chinese aggression), and we have ally forces across southeast Asia, including Vietnam, New Zealand, and Australia, who are willing and able to come help if needed.

        We do not have a force large enough to fight China in the region while we are tied up in Ukraine. Vietnam is not going to war with China. New Zealand and Australia do not have a capable enough force to add much value. That is why they are asking the United States to build bases.