• @Showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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    3610 months ago

    When I was really sick and needed regular blood tests, I’d have some nurses take at least a half-dozen stabs at me before getting a usable vein. We’re talking both arms and then moving to the top of the hand.

    It happens. I wouldn’t call it cruel or a form of punishment, as they weren’t purposely trying to make my life miserable.

    It’s mildly annoying as the patient, and I’m sure a little embarrassing for the person with the needle.

    • Flying Squid
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      1310 months ago

      Did you know it was going to kill you if it worked? Because that would be the cruel part. Imagine knowing, for days, maybe even months after your last appeal that you were going to die. You know the exact date and time. You know nothing you can do will stop it.

      How is that not cruel?

      • @Showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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        -610 months ago

        How is that not cruel?

        Having known that capital punishment by lethal injection would be the consequence of his actions, he decided his own fate.

        Even prison could be considered cruel, or compassionate, depending on your perspective.

        Really, though, this man murdered six people. I think you’re giving his feelings far too much consideration.

        • Flying Squid
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          710 months ago

          How did he know that would be the consequences of his actions when plenty of people have been sentenced to life in prison for similar actions? How did he know he wouldn’t be dealing with a hung jury? Unless he was able to predict the future, which he could not, suggesting he knew that ‘capital punishment by lethal injection’ would be the consequences of his actions is ridiculous. On top of that, he may literally not know the difference between right and wrong, something that is entirely possible. In which case, again, he would not have known the consequences of his actions.

          And it’s not about his feelings. The law shouldn’t be sidestepped just because a crime is very bad. Otherwise, why not just let police kill people like him and avoid trial completely?

            • Flying Squid
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              310 months ago

              I’m not sure why you think this specific case should be an exception when it comes to whether or not a law is ethical or even legal based on the U.S. Constitution. Even if this specific guy wanted to die, many very clearly did not. Including the innocent people that have been executed.

              https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/executed-but-possibly-innocent

              Should whether or not something is legal be decided on a case-by-case basis or should the law apply equally for everyone? Because I would certainly say the latter.

              • @Showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                410 months ago

                Friend, I’m not saying I support capital punishment. No doubt that there have been innocent people put to death (often people of colour), and that would be a failing of the justice system. Even the idea of capital punishment makes me sick.

                But in the context we find ourselves in, the way Creech has been treated couldn’t possibly have been more humane or compassionate. He’s already tried to kill himself, saying he does not want to be stuck in prison for the rest of his life.

                How would you go about making this situation better for this murderer? Or the family of his victims?

                Should whether or not something is legal be decided on a case-by-case basis or should the law apply equally for everyone? Because I would certainly say the latter.

                Well, sentencing is done on a case-by-case basis. Which is why some people who commit especially brutal types of violent murders are given a harsher penalty vs someone who may have killed in the heat of the moment. This is probably as fair as you can get, since some crimes obviously shouldn’t get the same heavy had as others.

                • Flying Squid
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                  210 months ago

                  Sentencing is done within the limit of the law and, again this is not about him specifically.

                  You can’t sentence someone to die by a thousand cuts because that is cruel. Which violates the Constitution. Why is this not cruel? Because it’s faster?

                  • @Showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                    210 months ago

                    Sentencing is done within the limit of the law and, again this is not about him specifically.

                    Right. And the limit of the law, in this case, is lethal injection.

                    You can’t sentence someone to die by a thousand cuts because that is cruel. Which violates the Constitution. Why is this not cruel? Because it’s faster?

                    I don’t make up the rules, man. But you still haven’t said what would be the ideal in this situation.

                    Let him spend the rest of his life in jail (something he did not want, and already tried to kill himself over), set him free, or “other”?

                    You’d still have to consider the victims in this decision, so I’m curious to know how you’d do it.

      • @yeahiknow3
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        -510 months ago

        They’re not torturing him. Just trying to curtail his existence. It’s incredibly reasonable.