• @ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    14 months ago

    Incorrect. The oppression of someone because of their race is racism. A minority could be oppressed because of their sex and that would be sexism, not racism. A minority could be oppressed because of their socio-economic standing and that would classism, not racism. A minority could be oppressed just because the oppressor is an asshole, and that would not be racism.

    The oppression of racial minorities is racism. This was evident based on the context of our discussion, but your argument splits hairs anyway.

    Depends on the culture. Also you’re talking about modern western culture. Not white culture in general. Even the US, which is a baby of a country, has had presidents who had long hair while in office. Almost as late as the 1850s.

    We are discussing a school in the United States in the year 2024. So it makes sense we would talk about modern White people culture here in the United States in this post-wig time period.

    I’ve yet to see anyone actually make a case for young black young men having/desiring long hair more than young white men. My experience is the exact opposite. Of course that is anecdotal and I’m not offering out to prove anything, but only to say why I don’t simply accept the claim as a postulate.

    The abundance of articles on a casual google search demonstrate this is something Black people are struggling with. It’s not a secret.

    But assuming that because something affected a black person

    It affects Black and Hispanic people disproportionately. That’s the give away that the policies are racially motivated.

    That now being applied to black people too is not racism

    It is being applied to students now to erase Black culture which is a form of racism. The fact it has affected White people previously and is currently doesn’t exclude it from being racist. White people being harmed by inequality doesn’t mean it’s not inequality. Again, we are all harmed by inequality, but not all of us are harmed equally. Black people are harmed more by racism, but we are all harmed by racism even if it’s to a lesser degree. White people would be better off without racism.

    • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
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      This was evident based on the context of our discussion,

      I’ve repeatedly stated that this is a policy meant to enforce conformity among boys and is likely not racism. The only one ignoring context on this point is you.

      We are discussing a school in the United States in the year 2024.

      lol. Just a couple of posts ago you had a whole paragraph arguing about how it’s cultural heritage.

      What your argument is describing is older generations of White people subjecting younger generations of White people to their cultural heritage. Some Black people celebrate their culture where men have long hair. While the policy does punish White people who are rejecting their cultural heritage it disproportionately affects Black people who are trying to celebrate their cultural heritage. Inequality harms everyone, but it doesn’t harm everyone equally. We would all be better off with equality. edit: capitalization

      Apparently you don’t know what heritage means:

      Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition.

      Your argument is literally that because there is a history of long black hair, having them cut their hair is racist. But now when that point falls apart under scrutiny, we are no longer talking about the past and tradition, we are talking just about current culture.

      Now, do the trick you always do when your point gets destroyed and whine about me “splitting hairs.”

      It affects Black and Hispanic people disproportionately.

      Still waiting for this evidence. You’ve alluded to a lot, but have provided nothing.

      The fact it has affected White people previously and is currently doesn’t exclude it from being racist. White people being harmed by inequality doesn’t mean it’s not inequality. Again, we are all harmed by inequality, but not all of us are harmed equally. Black people are harmed more by racism, but we are all harmed by racism even if it’s to a lesser degree. White people would be better off without racism.

      On this point we agree. What we disagree on is that we know this particular rule is racist or being applied in a racist manner or that it’s intent is to erase black culture. I think (although could be convinced otherwise) it’s the same thing that it has always been: forcing conformity on young men.