• chaogomu
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    -110 months ago

    The “Epstein didn’t kill himself” nonsense always bothered me. It ignores why he was arrested in the first place.

    He was soliciting sex with underage girls from a local, and rich, high school. The solicitation was for himself.

    So you have an old man trying (and sometimes succeeding) at picking up 14-17 year old white girls from rich families. He was super sloppy about it as well, attempting the shotgun approach of just messaging every single girl he could on various social media platforms.

    This got the attention of the media, and pissed off some people with some money behind them.

    He was going to prison for his own solicitation, and not for supplying anyone else.

    But once the media started digging, they found a bunch of shit that said he had also been supplying girls to the rich and famous. But those weren’t the charges he was facing, and his rich and famous friends could not, or would not, help him with the charges he was facing.

    What they could do, was pull him off of suicide watch.

    A pedo in prison either has to be in protective custody, or be otherwise protected from the other prisoners. Otherwise, the other prisoners will take out all their aggression on the pedo.

    Epstein was facing prison time, and was being threatened with being placed in general population. He had already been attacked by another inmate, and had uncountable beatings to look forward to.

    So the moment he was pulled from suicide watch, he killed himself. It was a selfish decision, but it also greatly helped out the people he had supplied girls to.

    The main question is, did some of his powerful friends pull strings to get him off suicide watch? We also know that he met his lawyer days earlier and signed documents that made it much harder for his victims to get compensation, but only in the case of his death.

    That alone points to him planning to die rather than spend the rest of his life being repeatedly beaten by other inmates.

    • @ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
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      10 months ago

      Mm, I do appreciate your write up and viewpoint, however it does not address some of the details. One being the tampering of footage the night of his death, and if I recall correctly, one of the guards receiving a large payment. Among a myriad of other data points pointing towards sketch.

      • chaogomu
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        1110 months ago

        The footage thing is a game of telephone that the internet has played with itself.

        There was no footage of the cell itself, because there are no cameras in any cells except those used for suicide watch. Epstein was pulled off suicide watch.

        Internet sleuths keep demanding footage of the cell itself, which flies in the face of how prisons run.

        There is footage of the cell block hallways leading to and from Epstein’s cell. The footage there shows no people entering or exiting the hallway. Which leads to the next part.

        The guards falsified records. They were both actually asleep on the job, but had filed statements saying they were awake and alert and watching the prison. The footage showed that neither guard did any rounds that night. They didn’t do rounds the night before, or even the week before. They basically just didn’t do rounds at all.

        They were both prosecuted for such, but got off because law enforcement sleeping on the job is just sort of accepted…

        I can’t find anything about a payoff.

        • @KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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          610 months ago

          People want shadowy conspiracies to exist because the world makes more sense that way. “The prison guards were lazy and careless” is simultaneously the most likely scenario and the one most rejected by “truthers”.

          Do these people think jails are hotels run like clockwork with constant vigilance and 4K video of every corner?

    • @Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net
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      210 months ago

      That’s a good breakdown of the facts, but “Epstein didn’t kill himself” is still useful as the headline for the article you essentially wrote here

      • chaogomu
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        010 months ago

        Except for the fact that he did, in fact, kill himself.

        He saw his future prospects of constantly being in and out of prison hospitals, as the other prisoners continually beat him, and chose instead to end it all.

        The fact that it also screwed over his victims and made prosecuting his clients much harder is ancillary to the fact that he killed himself to get out of having his ass handed to him every day for the rest of his life.

        It doesn’t take a genius to see, but it does take a special kind of genius to see conspiracy and a clandestine murder in it.