Criticizing is great, putting it like OP with “they’re the same, democrats just put on a hat” is dishonest and reductionist. This kind of thing actively causes harm and plays into the hands of the party that’s objectively worse for anyone that’s not rich.
Criticizing is great, putting it like OP with “they’re the same, democrats just put on a hat” is dishonest and reductionist.
It’s really not. My favourite example is Roe v. Wade - how long did democrats have to fix it? How long did they use it in their campaigns in the lines of “if you don’t vote democrats, republicans will overturn it”?
Yeah, they’re the better choice, for sure, but they’re not a good choice.
There’s a marked difference between lazy fucks who didn’t properly bring it across the finish line and people actively working to make things worse.
Correct my believe if I’m wrong: unless it’s a constitutional amendment, laws are fairly easy to overturn still.
And to ‘how many years’… How many years did people have to vote for progressive candidates in the lower levels to change the actual base of the party to where they want it to be? How many years have the voters not used to make it the party they want it to be?
This kinda shit is so fucking often due to progressives wanting things to be a certain way, but not putting in the legwork because “it’s a lost cause anyway”. With the democrats you have a chance to change the party into the progressive direction. Take an example from those maga assholes - it doesn’t take a lot of them to shift the republicans to be even worse.
This argument would be fine if the DNC actually let people select progressive candidates. But they almost never do. The DNC is controlled by committee, not by democracy, ironically.
And who do they draw from? The active base. If the complaints are loud enough, broad enough, from inside the party, that’s when they will have no choice.
“Oh there’s the dnc, can’t do anything, move on” is not a productive way to fight these things.
Neither is “The other side is worse, guess the DNC gets to do whatever the fuck they want.” If I only have two choices, then I’m going to be loud and annoying when those choices aren’t acceptable to me. I don’t care what you say.
I didn’t say don’t be loud, I’m saying don’t be a useful idiot for the other side at the same time. Apparently you want to misunderstand the point completely.
Fuck up the DNC libs, establishment democrats, etc! From the inside of possible.
Just don’t play into the hands of the Nazis by using rhetoric that makes their job of “pretending to not be the worst humans possible” easier.
But the dems make it so easy for them when they all endorse a genocide. “That guy’s the devil! He’d let his friends eat babies! What? No don’t worry about my friend eating babies. They didn’t do that, but if it was it was justified. And if it wasn’t, it was an accident. And if it wasn’t then it was justified.”
Demand better. From the outside. I’m not a Democrat. I can’t do anything from the inside. I vote for them because they are the closest, usually, to my beliefs. This time both parties feel equally, very far away from me. You’re not required to agree with me. You just can’t bully me into voting for someone who I find morally reprehensible.
No shit, Sherlock. And that’s why you’re helping the fascists with this comparison.
You’re working in a two party system, being an idiot about how to actually change shit.
You’re not changing the one party that can be used for change for the better, you’re just whining and making them seek votes elsewhere.
Criticizing is great, putting it like OP with “they’re the same, democrats just put on a hat” is dishonest and reductionist. This kind of thing actively causes harm and plays into the hands of the party that’s objectively worse for anyone that’s not rich.
It’s really not. My favourite example is Roe v. Wade - how long did democrats have to fix it? How long did they use it in their campaigns in the lines of “if you don’t vote democrats, republicans will overturn it”?
Yeah, they’re the better choice, for sure, but they’re not a good choice.
And your own words show exactly what I mean.
There’s a marked difference between lazy fucks who didn’t properly bring it across the finish line and people actively working to make things worse. Correct my believe if I’m wrong: unless it’s a constitutional amendment, laws are fairly easy to overturn still.
And to ‘how many years’… How many years did people have to vote for progressive candidates in the lower levels to change the actual base of the party to where they want it to be? How many years have the voters not used to make it the party they want it to be?
This kinda shit is so fucking often due to progressives wanting things to be a certain way, but not putting in the legwork because “it’s a lost cause anyway”. With the democrats you have a chance to change the party into the progressive direction. Take an example from those maga assholes - it doesn’t take a lot of them to shift the republicans to be even worse.
This argument would be fine if the DNC actually let people select progressive candidates. But they almost never do. The DNC is controlled by committee, not by democracy, ironically.
And who do they draw from? The active base. If the complaints are loud enough, broad enough, from inside the party, that’s when they will have no choice.
“Oh there’s the dnc, can’t do anything, move on” is not a productive way to fight these things.
Neither is “The other side is worse, guess the DNC gets to do whatever the fuck they want.” If I only have two choices, then I’m going to be loud and annoying when those choices aren’t acceptable to me. I don’t care what you say.
I didn’t say don’t be loud, I’m saying don’t be a useful idiot for the other side at the same time. Apparently you want to misunderstand the point completely.
Fuck up the DNC libs, establishment democrats, etc! From the inside of possible.
Just don’t play into the hands of the Nazis by using rhetoric that makes their job of “pretending to not be the worst humans possible” easier.
But the dems make it so easy for them when they all endorse a genocide. “That guy’s the devil! He’d let his friends eat babies! What? No don’t worry about my friend eating babies. They didn’t do that, but if it was it was justified. And if it wasn’t, it was an accident. And if it wasn’t then it was justified.”
Demand better. From the outside. I’m not a Democrat. I can’t do anything from the inside. I vote for them because they are the closest, usually, to my beliefs. This time both parties feel equally, very far away from me. You’re not required to agree with me. You just can’t bully me into voting for someone who I find morally reprehensible.
Yes, there’s a difference between perpetrators and bystanders who can help but choose not to.
But the bystanders keep expecting praise for helping when they haven’t.
No, you.
https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
No shit, Sherlock. And that’s why you’re helping the fascists with this comparison. You’re working in a two party system, being an idiot about how to actually change shit.
You’re not changing the one party that can be used for change for the better, you’re just whining and making them seek votes elsewhere.
You don’t change anything when you are conveniently forbidden from criticism.
Use constructive criticism. Criticize the issues. Don’t put false equivalencies first.
Fix something and you won’t be accused of doing nothing.