What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation | US education | The Guardian::Teachers say mobile phones make their lives a living hell – so one Massachusetts school barred them

    • @SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1310 months ago

      We got an iPhone for my niece who is 8. It’s locked down so all she can do is text, call, and take pictures/video and she can’t contact anyone not in her contacts list. She has some games but can’t use them for more than an hour per day and they won’t open during school hours.

      A big issue is parents not bothering to learn how to use and set up parental controls.

      • @Randomgal@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        310 months ago

        Controls like these don’t work if the kid is smart, determined or the parents are too tired or uninvolved. There’s more to the cellphone issue than the actual cellphone.

        • @TORFdot0@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          110 months ago

          It depends on how heavy handed the approach is. A kid could learn about using a vpn or proxy service to bypass dns or dpi based content filtering but if you properly configure the parental controls on iOS or android there is pretty much nothing they are going to be able to do. If they are that determined, I think you need to have a conversation about making good choices themselves and trusting them not to consume harmful content.

          I was able to bypass the content filters on the PCs when I was in high school because it was a shitty content filter that could be bypassed by killing the process in an unelevated task manager. My kids are going to have to be more resourceful than that

        • @erwan@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -210 months ago

          It doesn’t matter if the kid is smart and determined, parental controls can’t be circumvented.

          Unless the parent is stupid enough to leave their phones unlocked or lax enough to unblock the phone every time the kid asks for it.

          • @ozymandias117@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            110 months ago

            I think you’re being a little naive…

            Circumventing parental controls that “couldn’t be circumvented” is what I did as a child that led to me being a computer programmer

            • @erwan@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              310 months ago

              We’re not talking about the dumb parental controls from the 90’s or 2000’s and run on Windows, we’re talking about smartphone OSes (iOS and Android) that are locked down to start with.

              • @ozymandias117@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                -110 months ago

                Security is really hard, and these operating systems are built with new features and release dates as the primary concerns

                If you’re trying to follow proper security practices as of today, ensure the device is up to date and rebooted daily

                Use the parental control features as one part of parenting, but don’t expect them to be infallible

            • @SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo
              link
              fedilink
              English
              210 months ago

              No, they literally can’t be bypassed unless they figure out the passcode. Parental controls on iOS are part of the OS, not like the easily bypassed software you would install on a computer.

                • @SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  2
                  edit-2
                  10 months ago

                  Apple screen time parental Controls were created because third party software was using MDM which Apple didn’t like. If Apple can lock down a phone with mdm for companies to give to their employees why exactly do you think software built into the OS is easy to get around like net nanny?

                  Googling found an article about getting around it.

                  Nothing on there an 8 year old would do and there’s directions on how to prevent any of it. You can lock down changing system settings or even stop them from editing their contacts.

              • @ozymandias117@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                -110 months ago

                One of the ways I got around my parent’s settings after getting caught by simply resetting their password was by using alternate operating systems on livecds

                Saying they literally can’t be bypassed is why I’m saying it’s naive to trust them implicitly

                • @SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  310 months ago

                  So… are you going to link the live cd that works on iPhones or just going to continue talking about the net nanny days? iOS is locked down. Nothing is bulletproof but a child isn’t going to find a way around it.

                  • @ozymandias117@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    310 months ago

                    I only know how to get around my employer’s device settings for iOS. I would have to have access to your phone to try to get around them

                    The issue I have with your comment is “a child isn’t going to find a way around it” I was much more motivated to find a way around settings my parents set on devices when I was a child, and I definitely shared how to do it with my friends

                    Maybe your settings are secure, but it’s not trivial for most parents

    • @BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      310 months ago

      Yeah, I haven’t gotten to that point with my kids but he’s getting a flip phone first if I can find one. I see other kids on his bus (elementary level) with smartphones and I think it’s insane.

    • @Hexarei@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      110 months ago

      I lent my 8yo my old phone, heavily restricted and with Family Link installed; She’s only allowed 2 hours a day and isn’t allowed on stuff like YouTube. There are ways to do it responsibly.