I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of spending 1.2 billion dollars bombing them, maybe purchasing 600 million dollars of their chief export would be a better idea.
Empower the legitimate businesses and the people in the region who aren’t launching missiles instead of ravaging the region and creating a new generation of ‘militant rebels’.
I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of trusting your feelings and alluding that the Houthis launch missiles “because they’re forgotten”, you could list the actual reason they’ve given, which is enforcing a blockade against ships trading with Israel.
Given that statement, I’m sure that the Houthis will stop their strikes when Israel stops their ongoing genocide. The US could have their shipping lanes back if they stop funding and arming a genocide and force a permanent ceasefire.
This what? These people are religious fanatics so self absorbed in superstition and nonsense that they will literally blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people just out having breakfast because they don’t like the hours of operation one group sets for a pile of rocks some other group wants to visit on one day but not on another day. It is their utter lack of empathy and rationality that makes them evil pieces of shit. They aren’t fucking freedom fighters standing up for innocent people. They are morons who want religious control over their own people and every other person, absolute male domination of women in society, minority rule, and the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the middleeast.
With the support of useful idiots as you, of course.
After 1/6, instead of arresting the insurrectionists, maybe we should have bought more Proud Boys merchandise? That’s your solution to religious extremists attempting to overthrow the government?
I was comparing religious extremists in the US who attempted to overthrow the US government with the Houthi who are doing the same in Yemen. The Houthi aren’t the official Yemen government. They are a religious faction who are attempting to overthrow the Yemeni government.
Then why did you take my point, employ and empower legitimate Yemen businesses and buy their chief export, flip it around, and say that I was suggesting buying Proud Boy’s merch?
Spending 1.2 billion on bombing campaigns keeps 1.2 billion in the American economy. Giving another country 600 million only exports money from their grasp.
Me when i label the people i don’t like as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
Me when i label the American military as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
Your bombs have collateral damage. Your bombs kill the little girl. Your bombs create more extremists to perpetuate what you (very disingenuously) object to.
The bottom line is you just want to perpetuate suffering, kill people, and keep military contractors rich.
Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.
All ships relevant to this discussion are required to have an AIS transmitter and destination is one of the pieces of data they transmit. This is like asking “how do you know where that plane passing overhead is going?” to someone who has flightradar24 open.
Oh I wonder why that may be their message? Maybe because those two have a long history in the middle east in destabilizing it and killing innocent people? Do you honestly believe they hate us because they hate our freedom? Unbelievable.
So your logic is if there is a collation formed against someone then they’re bad? What about the axis powers during WW2? They had a coalition against some countries does that mean those countries are bad??
Not that your logic makes any sense to begin with because whats right or wrong isn’t dependent on the coalition but, the coalition is only the US and the UK with support (whatever that means) from Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands. That’s only 2 countries, If we stretch the “support” that’s 6 countries. The axis powers had 10 countries.
Last month, the United States launched Operation Prosperity Guardian—a coalition of more than 20 nations committed to defending international shipping and deterring Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. We also joined more than 40 nations in condemning Houthi threats. Last week, together with 13 allies and partners, we issued an unequivocal warning that Houthi rebels would bear the consequences if their attacks did not cease. And yesterday, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution demanding the Houthis end attacks on merchant and commercial vessels.
They will, just as soon as those ships stop violating their blockade. You will note that many ships pass through Yemeni waters without issue because they are abiding by the rules, as dictates by maritime law and international law. Why are you defending the criminals?
The ships they’re firing upon are passing through in accordance with maritime and international law. Their justification is that the ships are Israeli affiliated, but those ships are still sailing in recognized international waters.
You can’t just “announce” a blockade and make it your territorial waters. You can absolutely create a blockade if you choose to, but it is a recognized act of war. There’s a separate conversation to whether that is a just action or not, tied in with the war in Israel/Palestine. But that doesn’t change the fact that a blockade in itself is an act of war.
The Bab-el-Mandeb Strait - which the UN has stated is a strait to which transit passage applies. Yemen is a signatory country to the UN convention on the law of the sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab-el-Mandeb
In straits referred to in article 37, all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which shall not be impeded; except that, if the strait is formed by an island of a State bordering the strait and its mainland, transit passage shall not apply if there exists seaward of the island a route through the high seas or through an exclusive economic zone of similar convenience with respect to navigational and hydrographical characteristics.
Transit passage means the exercise in accordance with this Part of the freedom of navigation and overflight solely for the purpose of continuous and expeditious transit of the strait between one part of the high seas or an exclusive economic zone and another part of the high seas or an exclusive economic zone. However, the requirement of continuous and expeditious transit does not preclude passage through the strait for the purpose of entering, leaving or returning from a State bordering the strait, subject to the conditions of entry to that State.
Any activity which is not an exercise of the right of transit passage through a strait remains subject to the other applicable provisions of this Convention.~~*
During an armed conflict, to the extent that the peacetime regime of the law of the sea and the law of naval warfare are inconsistent, the law of naval warfare is lex specialis and prevails over the peacetime rules reflected in UNCLOS (Newport Manual, §§ 1.1, 4.1).
Current understanding of blockade, including its requirements, entitlements and consequences, is largely based on the London Declaration,67 and it is reflected in the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea from 1994.
Highly recommended reading that journal article. It speaks of Israeli blockades, the concept of implied belligerency, and non-state actors.
Suffice to say, Article 38 appears to be in question while there is ongoing conflict, and it appears to have been abrogated by Israel in precisely the same ways that are happening now in the strait.
I’ll take a look at the articles once I’m off work. I appreciate the discussion and your responses. Prior to reading them, though, it looks like it is talking about armed conflict, which is kinda the point I was making. Yemen (/the Houthis) have the right to blockade, but it is an act of war/falls in the realm of armed conflict. Would you say that is accurate?
Here’s an idea:
The Houthi’s can just not launch missiles at ships
I’m tired of this kind of lazy rhetoric.
Why are the Houthi’s committing violence?
I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of spending 1.2 billion dollars bombing them, maybe purchasing 600 million dollars of their chief export would be a better idea.
Empower the legitimate businesses and the people in the region who aren’t launching missiles instead of ravaging the region and creating a new generation of ‘militant rebels’.
Instead of trusting your feelings and alluding that the Houthis launch missiles “because they’re forgotten”, you could list the actual reason they’ve given, which is enforcing a blockade against ships trading with Israel.
Given that statement, I’m sure that the Houthis will stop their strikes when Israel stops their ongoing genocide. The US could have their shipping lanes back if they stop funding and arming a genocide and force a permanent ceasefire.
This.
This what? These people are religious fanatics so self absorbed in superstition and nonsense that they will literally blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people just out having breakfast because they don’t like the hours of operation one group sets for a pile of rocks some other group wants to visit on one day but not on another day. It is their utter lack of empathy and rationality that makes them evil pieces of shit. They aren’t fucking freedom fighters standing up for innocent people. They are morons who want religious control over their own people and every other person, absolute male domination of women in society, minority rule, and the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the middleeast.
With the support of useful idiots as you, of course.
Which books or sources have you read or studied to classify a sub set of people in such a precise manner?
They who, first of all
Come on man you don’t have to murder him like that.
The Houthi are the Proud Boys of Yemen.
After 1/6, instead of arresting the insurrectionists, maybe we should have bought more Proud Boys merchandise? That’s your solution to religious extremists attempting to overthrow the government?
Yemen’s chief export is Proud Boys merch?
Didn’t know that.
Thanks for informing me and not just being a murderous troll.
If that’s the case, just nuke Yemen. Explosives are the only real fix for social issues.
I was comparing religious extremists in the US who attempted to overthrow the US government with the Houthi who are doing the same in Yemen. The Houthi aren’t the official Yemen government. They are a religious faction who are attempting to overthrow the Yemeni government.
Then why did you take my point, employ and empower legitimate Yemen businesses and buy their chief export, flip it around, and say that I was suggesting buying Proud Boy’s merch?
Sorry, I interpreted it as supporting the Houthi. That is buy Houthi products from Houthi businesses.
You didn’t say Yemeni in your reply.
But we got there eventually. All good bro.
Spending 1.2 billion on bombing campaigns keeps 1.2 billion in the American economy. Giving another country 600 million only exports money from their grasp.
Peace is not the point of the war machine.
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Me when i label the people i don’t like as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
This but unironically
I want to stop murdering bad people and I want to start rewarding good people.
Nowhere did I suggest giving the bad people money.
Watch a man get strong and push thugs out when he has a dollar to defend.
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Ok. You’re right.
Compassion is futile. Just nuke em.
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You keep goalpost moving and acting obtuse.
Your bombs have collateral damage. Your bombs kill the little girl. Your bombs create more extremists to perpetuate what you (very disingenuously) object to.
The bottom line is you just want to perpetuate suffering, kill people, and keep military contractors rich.
And the US could just stop funding Netanyahu’s war in Gaza.
Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.
I don’t even know where to begin with this idiocy.
How do the Houthis know which ships are going to Israel? Can you prove they’ve only attacked ships bound for Israel?
Why is there a 39 nation coalition organizing against the Houthis? Aren’t a lot of those nations opposing Israel’s current actions?
Do you know the Houthis slogan of, “Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to the Jews, Victory to Islam”?
You’re fighting for the wrong side buddy
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Sorry,
“Curse upon the Jews”
All ships relevant to this discussion are required to have an AIS transmitter and destination is one of the pieces of data they transmit. This is like asking “how do you know where that plane passing overhead is going?” to someone who has flightradar24 open.
Oh I wonder why that may be their message? Maybe because those two have a long history in the middle east in destabilizing it and killing innocent people? Do you honestly believe they hate us because they hate our freedom? Unbelievable.
Unbelievable that you defend those attacking random supply ships.
If they’re innocent, why is there a coalition formed against them?
So your logic is if there is a collation formed against someone then they’re bad? What about the axis powers during WW2? They had a coalition against some countries does that mean those countries are bad??
There were significantly less nations allied in the axis than what formed against them.
Nice try tho
Not that your logic makes any sense to begin with because whats right or wrong isn’t dependent on the coalition but, the coalition is only the US and the UK with support (whatever that means) from Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands. That’s only 2 countries, If we stretch the “support” that’s 6 countries. The axis powers had 10 countries.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/11/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-coalition-strikes-in-houthi-controlled-areas-in-yemen/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers
From the link you posted:
Where are you inventing those bullshit numbers?
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Simple, ships declare their destination and affiliation https://www.newarab.com/news/russia-china-ships-granted-safe-passage-yemens-houthis
Good idea! Here’s another: UK and US stop interferring in middle east (FYI the palestine problem was worsened by magnitudes by the UK mandate)
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I don’t get it, are you trying to preserve life or eliminate it? Wait a minute… do you mean
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They will, just as soon as those ships stop violating their blockade. You will note that many ships pass through Yemeni waters without issue because they are abiding by the rules, as dictates by maritime law and international law. Why are you defending the criminals?
The ships they’re firing upon are passing through in accordance with maritime and international law. Their justification is that the ships are Israeli affiliated, but those ships are still sailing in recognized international waters.
Oh shit! International law?? Man, I bet everyone totally respects stuff like that-- especially the very very moral nations like the US and Israel.
No, they aren’t, because a blockade has been announced and the ships are violating the blockade.
You can’t just “announce” a blockade and make it your territorial waters. You can absolutely create a blockade if you choose to, but it is a recognized act of war. There’s a separate conversation to whether that is a just action or not, tied in with the war in Israel/Palestine. But that doesn’t change the fact that a blockade in itself is an act of war.
Sorry, are you saying it’s not in the territorial waters of Yemen?
The Bab-el-Mandeb Strait - which the UN has stated is a strait to which transit passage applies. Yemen is a signatory country to the UN convention on the law of the sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab-el-Mandeb
Transit Passage https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part3.htm#:~:text=and hydrographical characteristics.-,2.,or an exclusive economic zone.
Specifically, article 38 states:
~~Right of transit passage
In straits referred to in article 37, all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which shall not be impeded; except that, if the strait is formed by an island of a State bordering the strait and its mainland, transit passage shall not apply if there exists seaward of the island a route through the high seas or through an exclusive economic zone of similar convenience with respect to navigational and hydrographical characteristics.
Transit passage means the exercise in accordance with this Part of the freedom of navigation and overflight solely for the purpose of continuous and expeditious transit of the strait between one part of the high seas or an exclusive economic zone and another part of the high seas or an exclusive economic zone. However, the requirement of continuous and expeditious transit does not preclude passage through the strait for the purpose of entering, leaving or returning from a State bordering the strait, subject to the conditions of entry to that State.
Any activity which is not an exercise of the right of transit passage through a strait remains subject to the other applicable provisions of this Convention.~~*
From West Point: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/russia-ukraine-war-naval-blockades-visit-search-targeting-war-sustaining-objects/
From https://www.jstor.org/stable/48710561?seq=3 a 2018 international relations journal on blockades
Highly recommended reading that journal article. It speaks of Israeli blockades, the concept of implied belligerency, and non-state actors.
Suffice to say, Article 38 appears to be in question while there is ongoing conflict, and it appears to have been abrogated by Israel in precisely the same ways that are happening now in the strait.
I’ll take a look at the articles once I’m off work. I appreciate the discussion and your responses. Prior to reading them, though, it looks like it is talking about armed conflict, which is kinda the point I was making. Yemen (/the Houthis) have the right to blockade, but it is an act of war/falls in the realm of armed conflict. Would you say that is accurate?
Ansar Allah are acting in accordance to international laws and treaties and are trying to stop the genocide in Gaza.
Hey, the navy needs to keep their button pushing skills sharp /s
So… you can’t disagree while refuting actual arguments, got it.
Thus entire 3zchange gave me cancer
Lol🤔
Here’s an idea, countries involved in genocide can just not sail ships through Yemeni waters.