I can’t decide which overused quote to put here so I’m just going to use them both:
“Why did you sting me knowing that we shall both now drown?”
“And then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.”
Did these people ever think Apple cared about them? Did they think their years of hard loyalty would serve as some bargaining chip the second that their precious green arrow was on the line?
I couldnt imagine having ~80 natural years on this earth and dedicating years of my labor to one of the most destructive companies in history and then acting shocked when all of the sudden I was in the line of fire.
Just so we all know who we’re talking about, Apple is the company that installed suicide nets on their factories because it was the cheapest way to prevent their workers from killing themselves which was a frequent enough problem on its own to warrant a solution.
I think it’s more complicated than that, my friend.
Not many people have the luxury of choosing an occupation that aligns with their ideals. A person may have taken a job at Apple out of necessity because it’s all that was offered, or perhaps to maintain their legal status in the country (H-1B visa), or because they have burgeoning student debts, or maybe they were as yet unaware of the corporate trend towards employee exploitation.
Anyway, putting on the blame on the one’s being laid off instead of on the one’s laying off is not helping anyone except the C-suite of Apple.
Yes exactly, you can’t blame the people being laid off, they are just trying to live and I imagine a job at a company like Apple was a dream. I mean you can’t blame anyone who takes that opportunity, the salary, the credentials. The US workers really need to get the union situation sorted out in a major way.
I imagine a job at a company like Apple was a dream.
To bastardize George Carlin, it’s a dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
Again, the Apple corporation has done more harm to the Earth and society than almost any other entity in history. I don’t make that accusation lightly and I have very little sympathy for anyone who had deluded themselves into believing that they’d never get eaten by the beast they raised.
Again, the Apple corporation has done more harm to the Earth and society than almost any other entity in history.
You seem to have missed it last time so I highlighted it for you.
When you’re that close to the top, the lines of delineation get a little fuzzy but in short, I don’t think Apple gets a pass because they might have killed a little less people than British Petroleum.
I mean, people can work at a large company like Apple just for the salary. It’s pretty naive to assume any or all of those laid off worked at Apple long-term and were loyal to their employer because of the marketing prestige.
I don’t think that’s the point of the post. Layoffs are inevitable for most companies, especially tech companies. The point is to draw attention to layoffs which are being obfuscated (presumably to avoid announcing layoffs). That’s to do with a bad business practice by a huge publicly traded entity, not their responsibility as an employer to do right by their employees
The complaint is Apple starting out of the bad press by doing soft layoffs like this. Literally everyone in tech right now is aware that they can get laid off, as has been happening to hundreds of thousands of workers the last two full years.
People are just trying to make the best of this situation we have to experience called life. I used to work for smaller companies and they have pros and cons just like large companies. Then I was laid off and the only place that would hire me and not give me a pay cut was a large corporation. So here I am now. Let me be clear, I do not want to work for this company. But what they provide me for the time being, is stability where other companies are laying people off left and right. They hired me as a remote employee and then a few months later said everyone had to return to the office a few times a week. I don’t trust this company and I never did, but until the economy stabilizes and I can find another solid job, I’m stuck. I can’t just not work, and I refuse to go back to being poor and struggling to stay afloat. So I feel for these people. You don’t always have a reasonable choice in employment when things aren’t stable but you also have to think about supporting yourself or maybe kids.
TLDR: It’s not always so cut and dry of a situation as “don’t work for a shitty company”. All I’m trying to say, is that you should really step back and try to think about these situations from others’ perspectives sometimes.
Do I upvote because you’re correct, or downvote because you worded it like a dick and don’t care about the other members of the 99% getting fucked over.
Fuck Apple, but come on. It’s not an oil company. It’s not clear cutting forests. It’s not making its revenue from chattel slavery and stealing land. Apple is fucking awful, but it’s not exactly the East India Company.
It’s crazy the downvotes you’re getting when everything you said is true. People don’t like feeling bad for their choices though so when you force them to, just for a second, think about their purchasing power and the harm those choices cause really messes with them. Then they get mad and try to argue about it.
No one thinks they’re wrong, but there are wrong people.
I can’t decide which overused quote to put here so I’m just going to use them both:
“Why did you sting me knowing that we shall both now drown?”
“And then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.”
Did these people ever think Apple cared about them? Did they think their years of hard loyalty would serve as some bargaining chip the second that their precious green arrow was on the line?
I couldnt imagine having ~80 natural years on this earth and dedicating years of my labor to one of the most destructive companies in history and then acting shocked when all of the sudden I was in the line of fire.
Just so we all know who we’re talking about, Apple is the company that installed suicide nets on their factories because it was the cheapest way to prevent their workers from killing themselves which was a frequent enough problem on its own to warrant a solution.
I think it’s more complicated than that, my friend.
Not many people have the luxury of choosing an occupation that aligns with their ideals. A person may have taken a job at Apple out of necessity because it’s all that was offered, or perhaps to maintain their legal status in the country (H-1B visa), or because they have burgeoning student debts, or maybe they were as yet unaware of the corporate trend towards employee exploitation.
Anyway, putting on the blame on the one’s being laid off instead of on the one’s laying off is not helping anyone except the C-suite of Apple.
Yes exactly, you can’t blame the people being laid off, they are just trying to live and I imagine a job at a company like Apple was a dream. I mean you can’t blame anyone who takes that opportunity, the salary, the credentials. The US workers really need to get the union situation sorted out in a major way.
To bastardize George Carlin, it’s a dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
Again, the Apple corporation has done more harm to the Earth and society than almost any other entity in history. I don’t make that accusation lightly and I have very little sympathy for anyone who had deluded themselves into believing that they’d never get eaten by the beast they raised.
Hyperbole much? More damaging than Union Carbide? DuPont? Exxon? BP?
I think you may have made that accusation lightly, or at least without careful consideration.
You seem to have missed it last time so I highlighted it for you.
When you’re that close to the top, the lines of delineation get a little fuzzy but in short, I don’t think Apple gets a pass because they might have killed a little less people than British Petroleum.
You know what I mean though. A “dream” job.
Bootlicker vibes in this thread way too strong to take seriously lmao. Apple is getting desperate for money, let um burn
I dont understand how anyone can blame the workers and not the fucking corporations exploiting them.
Unfortunately it’s more likely that people are going to get burnt, Appl is going to get out of it just fine 😠
“Just fine” as they jettison hundreds of people and multiple office buildings (at a loss)
When their debts rollover into 6x the interest rates, Apple is fucked same as most of these “stable” bluechips
Sometimes it’s as simple as a shitty company being the only company willing to pay you to do what you want to do.
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I mean, people can work at a large company like Apple just for the salary. It’s pretty naive to assume any or all of those laid off worked at Apple long-term and were loyal to their employer because of the marketing prestige.
I don’t disagree but this sort of “so apparently THIS is how Apple treats us” thing just screams “I never thought leopards would eat MY face.”
I don’t think that’s the point of the post. Layoffs are inevitable for most companies, especially tech companies. The point is to draw attention to layoffs which are being obfuscated (presumably to avoid announcing layoffs). That’s to do with a bad business practice by a huge publicly traded entity, not their responsibility as an employer to do right by their employees
The complaint is Apple starting out of the bad press by doing soft layoffs like this. Literally everyone in tech right now is aware that they can get laid off, as has been happening to hundreds of thousands of workers the last two full years.
People are just trying to make the best of this situation we have to experience called life. I used to work for smaller companies and they have pros and cons just like large companies. Then I was laid off and the only place that would hire me and not give me a pay cut was a large corporation. So here I am now. Let me be clear, I do not want to work for this company. But what they provide me for the time being, is stability where other companies are laying people off left and right. They hired me as a remote employee and then a few months later said everyone had to return to the office a few times a week. I don’t trust this company and I never did, but until the economy stabilizes and I can find another solid job, I’m stuck. I can’t just not work, and I refuse to go back to being poor and struggling to stay afloat. So I feel for these people. You don’t always have a reasonable choice in employment when things aren’t stable but you also have to think about supporting yourself or maybe kids.
TLDR: It’s not always so cut and dry of a situation as “don’t work for a shitty company”. All I’m trying to say, is that you should really step back and try to think about these situations from others’ perspectives sometimes.
Do I upvote because you’re correct, or downvote because you worded it like a dick and don’t care about the other members of the 99% getting fucked over.
Always the toughest decision…
Let’s shoot for a 1:1?
Fuck Apple, but come on. It’s not an oil company. It’s not clear cutting forests. It’s not making its revenue from chattel slavery and stealing land. Apple is fucking awful, but it’s not exactly the East India Company.
It’s crazy the downvotes you’re getting when everything you said is true. People don’t like feeling bad for their choices though so when you force them to, just for a second, think about their purchasing power and the harm those choices cause really messes with them. Then they get mad and try to argue about it.
No one thinks they’re wrong, but there are wrong people.