Maine’s top election official has removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, in a surprise decision based on the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”
Okay cool, so you’re saying the ends justify the means and it has absolutely nothing to do with hindering your political adversary? So when your side is the one defying the constitution and the right takes antidemocratic steps to stop them, that will be justified and in no way will you complain?
It’s literally a constitutional amendment my dude. This is how the democracy is structured, at the very foundational level. If you try to attack the lawful transfer of power, you aren’t eligible for office anymore. If a Democrat tries to engage in insurrection, then they too won’t be eligible. That you think defying the constitution is just something that everyone does sooner or later is very very weird.
Explain to me how Trump’s actions rise to the level of Confederate soldiers who literally killed fellow Americans. I bet you also think “silence is violence”.
The insurrection killed fellow Americans. I’m not even sure what your weird quip is supposed to reference. Sounds kind of like some bullshit you pick up in the make believe version of liberals presented by rightwing media and swallowed without question by gullible conservatives.
You’re suggesting the constitution isn’t totally democratic? That’s a shocker.
I’m not 100% sure I agree with the particular clause of the 14th amendment, but the beauty of the constitution is if we don’t like it, we can change it. Nevertheless, the amendment writers’ position isn’t baseless and Donnie proves it.
The other side takes anti-democratic steps all the time. If they kept them within the spirit and letter of the Constitution, that’d be a nice change.
There have been plenty of Republican candidates that have never sought to interfere with elections. In fact, of presidential candidates, there has only been the one, as far as I know.
This isn’t a “tank the Republicans”, this is “we can’t abide Trump, specifically”. No one accused McCain, Romney, Bush, of anything like this.
It’s funny that you mention THOSE Republicans because I’m old enough to remember when all three were hailed as the second coming of Hitler by the left. Weird how that’s changed…
I’m old enough to remember and I don’t recall anything so severe as the second coming of Hitler. The worst I recall was Gingrich and Dick Chaney being considered pretty vile, and Bush Jr being seen as lacking competence.
Trump feels unique in how obviously corrupt he wants to go.
As a point of comparison, no one ever even broached the topic of impeachment with W Bush. As disappointed as folks were with facets of his presidency, currying personal favors and working to subvert elections were not anywhere in sight.
Interfering like devising a wild scheme with fake electors because you’re convinced you should have won, and then encouraging your people to go fight against the peaceful transition when it becomes clear your harebrained plan isn’t working? Interfering like that?
I heard him say “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”, but what do I know, I only watched it on video.
But you’re right, letting democracy take its course is stupid, I don’t trust the public to make decisions and have to go through the trouble of voting. The only good democracy is one in which we tell the people who they can vote for. We should probably bar the Republican party from participating too. We don’t want to confuse people by giving them too many choices, especially since we obviously all want another term of Biden. He’s the best!
I’m just happy we can protect democracy by interfering with democracy.
If we ban the only guy who instigated coup in US history, I think we’ll be ok.
Okay cool, so you’re saying the ends justify the means and it has absolutely nothing to do with hindering your political adversary? So when your side is the one defying the constitution and the right takes antidemocratic steps to stop them, that will be justified and in no way will you complain?
It’s literally a constitutional amendment my dude. This is how the democracy is structured, at the very foundational level. If you try to attack the lawful transfer of power, you aren’t eligible for office anymore. If a Democrat tries to engage in insurrection, then they too won’t be eligible. That you think defying the constitution is just something that everyone does sooner or later is very very weird.
Was Trump found guilty of insurrection? I must have missed that. My mistake.
The actual Confederates this was targeted against weren’t found guilty either. There’s a reason “convicted” doesn’t appear in this amendment.
Explain to me how Trump’s actions rise to the level of Confederate soldiers who literally killed fellow Americans. I bet you also think “silence is violence”.
The insurrection killed fellow Americans. I’m not even sure what your weird quip is supposed to reference. Sounds kind of like some bullshit you pick up in the make believe version of liberals presented by rightwing media and swallowed without question by gullible conservatives.
It doesn’t say found guilty. It says he done it.
You’re suggesting the constitution isn’t totally democratic? That’s a shocker.
I’m not 100% sure I agree with the particular clause of the 14th amendment, but the beauty of the constitution is if we don’t like it, we can change it. Nevertheless, the amendment writers’ position isn’t baseless and Donnie proves it.
The other side takes anti-democratic steps all the time. If they kept them within the spirit and letter of the Constitution, that’d be a nice change.
There have been plenty of Republican candidates that have never sought to interfere with elections. In fact, of presidential candidates, there has only been the one, as far as I know.
This isn’t a “tank the Republicans”, this is “we can’t abide Trump, specifically”. No one accused McCain, Romney, Bush, of anything like this.
It’s funny that you mention THOSE Republicans because I’m old enough to remember when all three were hailed as the second coming of Hitler by the left. Weird how that’s changed…
I’m old enough to remember and I don’t recall anything so severe as the second coming of Hitler. The worst I recall was Gingrich and Dick Chaney being considered pretty vile, and Bush Jr being seen as lacking competence.
Trump feels unique in how obviously corrupt he wants to go.
As a point of comparison, no one ever even broached the topic of impeachment with W Bush. As disappointed as folks were with facets of his presidency, currying personal favors and working to subvert elections were not anywhere in sight.
Meanwhile, I recall Obama being hailed as the anti Christ. What of it?
They could be, but did anyone try to disqualify them from the ballot based on things they didn’t do?
Get a grip. It was not even close to a coup. You’re drinking too much cool-aid!
It’s not what it looks like!
The fake justification for the coup fell apart years ago so maybe this is the only defense left.
Interfering like devising a wild scheme with fake electors because you’re convinced you should have won, and then encouraging your people to go fight against the peaceful transition when it becomes clear your harebrained plan isn’t working? Interfering like that?
I heard him say “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”, but what do I know, I only watched it on video.
But you’re right, letting democracy take its course is stupid, I don’t trust the public to make decisions and have to go through the trouble of voting. The only good democracy is one in which we tell the people who they can vote for. We should probably bar the Republican party from participating too. We don’t want to confuse people by giving them too many choices, especially since we obviously all want another term of Biden. He’s the best!
I heard Hitler say he just wanted to find the answer to the Jewish Question.
Like when the citizens vote for no more voting