Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.

In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.

Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.

  • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    Literally support ZioNazis commit Genocide

    The “alternative” is Fascism.

    Biden is a Fascist Nazi already.

    • @badaboomxx@lemmy.world
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      The alternative is a traitor who wants to be a dictator, who paice nazis… everything points for him to be a nazi, just tell.me, why that nazi traitor is a better alternative?

      • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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        You can vote third party and not vote for genocode. Will you get thrown in jail for doing that like they do in China?

        Both the main parties are literal Nazis now. This should be the perfect time to say “holy shit both parties are Nazis maybe it’s time for a new direction.”

        • @evranch@lemmy.ca
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          With Trump’s rabid base guaranteed to turn out, a third party vote is a vote for Trump.

          I agree it’s a time for a new direction. I don’t agree that either party is Nazis, that’s stupid hyperbole. And right now, with a second Trump term on the line, is not the time to push for a new direction. That would definitely be one of the worst things America could do to itself

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          You and your both-sides people are going to burn out the meaning of the word Nazi with your hyperbole. It’s an insult to how depraved that historical moment actually was.

        • @badaboomxx@lemmy.world
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          Lol, sure bud just remember, the republicans suddenly are angry at the president for giving aid to Israel, when they were the first ones who always pushed that aid before, but just because now is a Democrat they have an issue. That is hypocrisy.

          Lol for starters the “bOtH sIdEs” argument is so stupid. On one hand you have a oarty that likes to appoint an autoritarian racist idiot, and the other is an old man that wants the starud quo… sire bud bOtH sIdEs.

    • @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
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      Biden has stood with the majority of the Democrats on almost every issue. If the Democrats overwhelmingly wanted to not fund Israel, he would probably stand by them. Unfortunately, most Democrats back Israel even more than Biden.

      The saving grace is that Biden wants to avoid the war turning regional, making him not favor genocide done quickly. Israel can’t kick out Palestinians, as its neighbors will attack over the refugees. If Israel directly kills too many Palestinians, the neighbors will also attack. To not get dragged into a war, Biden wants the IDF to occupy Gaza and cause less collateral damage.

      However, Netanyahu doesn’t want the war to deescalate, as the public will kick him and his party out once things settle down. He also doesn’t want the casualties and cost of occupying all of Gaza, as there would be more IDF fatalities. Reservists were already upset at Bibi, and if they took large enough casualties, even the military might not back him. His best option for maintaining power is to genocide Gaza and hope their neighbors don’t attack.

      The US isn’t willing to withdraw support from Israel and actually motivate them to stand down. The Judeo-fascists are arrogant fools who think the US deterrent will keep them safe, but they’re playing with fire. If they directly piss off Hezbollah enough, or if they force refugees into Jordan and Egypt, or if they escalate with other Iranian backed forces, or if anyone makes a stupid blunder, everyone will pay in blood.

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        Biden isn’t doing anything to control israel. He has been a Zionazi for 50 years he said so himself a few days ago. He obeys Netanyahu’s will like a little dog wagging his tail. Genocide Joe is an israeli foreign agent.

        The only reason israel hasn’t been invaded yet is Biden putting three aircraft carriers right next to them so they can continue their genocide with impunity. He removes all weapons restrictions on israeli war crimes while ignoring Ukraine like it doesn’t even exist anymore.

        • @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
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          I’ve found that cartoon villaining those with shitty opinions leads people astray. You describe Biden like a bloodthirsty sociopath who gets pleasure from killing children and risking war. If you actually pay attention to liberals like him, you realize that a number of them are trying to do the right thing. Biden has a flawed view of what is right, but he’s probably not intentionally being a bad person. He probably thinks he’s as moral as he can be, sacrificing for “the greater good.”

          Not every bad person lacks empathy or morals. Realizing how easy it is for you to unknowingly be the bad guy is hard. If you want an incorrect view that misses the nuance and complexity of real people, sure, remain ignorant. I can’t stop you.

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            JOE BIDEN BOMBS CHILDREN’S HOSPITALS FULL OF KIDS THAT ALREADY HAVE THEIR LEGS AMPUTATED FROM BEING BOMBED IN THEIR HOME!!

            What the fuck is wrong with people thinking this shit is okay because it makes the military industrial complex some money holy shit.

            Are you going to tell me Hitler had good intentions next??? “No we sided with the Nazi’s because that would further our strategic interests and less of our people would have to die!”

            I’m not Biden as a cartoon villain. He is a cartoon villain.

            I’d rather have 100.000 people die fighting the Nazis than 90.000 murdered by us joining the Nazis.

            • @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
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              Having (what I think of as) a more accurate view of why people do evil things does not mean I think those evil things are ok. The world can sometimes be fair, life can be great, and people can be kind to one another. However, the world is often unfair, life can be cruel, and people can be awful to each other. I don’t have to like it because reality doesn’t exist for anyone. We exist inside of it and are along for the ride.

              I refuse to walk away from my best understandings of reality because they aren’t pleasing. I hold a nihilist, deterministic, Hobbesian view of the world. I think we have limited freedom over our own actions and thoughts, we made up all ideas and concepts, and we can never have total certainty about anything. I embrace truths that most people refuse to acknowledge because they find those truths depressing. (I’m not superior than those people, but I am usually more correct.)

              However, I still have an optimistic outlook and positive worldview. I think we can overcome our flaws and create a far fairer world. There is no God who cares about us or will save us, but we can save ourselves and care deeply about each other. The fact that there is no objective right and wrong doesn’t mean our morality and ethics are useless. There is no higher meaning outside our constructions, so the meaning we create is the highest meaning there is. We can damn well respect and believe in what we make.

              I fully believe that Biden does evil shit, but malice and enjoyment of suffering probably don’t drive him. I won’t delude myself into thinking every evil action is done by a fundamentally evil person. Some people are genuinely evil, but most are not. Many people simply believe in evil systems of morality. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do what is necessary to stop them. A misguided killer and a sadistic killer will both threaten your life, so you can kill them both to defend yourself.

              Punishment and responsibility are not inherently meaningful. Punishment and accountability can keep people from causing future harm. Assigning responsibility can reinforce values. Brutal punishment can even scare people into submission. However, you can’t make someone feel bad for their actions if they don’t want to. Making them suffer can only help you feel better.

              Justice shouldn’t be thought of as righting the past. We can only make things better in the future. We should hang up the classic idea of justice for one that can actually materialize. Otherwise, justice will never be achieved in any way.

              • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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                So you’re voting for the Genocide guy again???

                That’s how you are going to achieve justice?

                You would unironically humanize Hitler if he was alive. Genocide Joe is a scum of the earth piece of shit. I don’t care how much you think he looks like a warm grandpa. Biden should burn in hell along with Mao and Stalin.

                • @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
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                  I’m going to vote against the even worse genocide guy. Biden has been the least genocidal president since Carter, not because he’s great, but because Obama, Clinton, and every Republican were worse. Trump may have cheered on Hamas after October 7, but that was because he holds a personal grudge against Netanyahu for backing Biden’s presidential victory. Hillary probably wouldn’t have recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, precisely because it would inflame regional tensions. Trump only did it because he respects fascist strongman like Netanyahu. Republicans are so much worse, so Democrats are my pick by a mile.

                  Yes. I don’t like being disappointed because I expect the impossible. Bad people die happy and successful. Only gods can punish people the way you want, so it isn’t our job to attempt it. I don’t think hell exists, but even if it does, we can’t deliver its justice. We can only deliver human justice.

                  Hitler was not a demon or inhuman monster. He was only able to become such a vile being because he was as complex and powerful as a human. Him being a human doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have tortured him to death and displayed his corpse to be mocked. That evil brutality should be brutally squashed. At least he’ll be remembered for killing himself like the pathetic coward he was.

                  I don’t care if Biden is scum of the earth or if he burns in hell. The fact that you think I could only view Biden as human because I see him as a “warm grandfather” is telling. You can’t comprehend my way of viewing things. You refuse to accept that someone can see things as I describe, so you assert that I must actually like evil people because I acknowledge their humanity.

                  Personhood is an essential part of evil, not mutually exclusive to it. Unless I see evidence of evil outside of humans and similar beings, I’ll stand by my analysis.

                  • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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                    Humanizing means showing something or someone in an empathic light. Not calling them literal demons. Biden would crush every orphan if it would gain him five dollars. Doesn’t make him less evil because he’s apathic instead of deliberate.

                    Biden has not committed less genocide at all. His genocide is just beginning. He has destroyed all infrastructure in Gaza and is blocking food and water. Diseases and famine are spreading fast. And all because he wants to defend his oil.

                    I hate Trump for his internal policies but he did not start any wars. He just let the existing wars that Obama started continue and even withdrew from Afghanistan. Orange Man is objectively less genocidal than Biden with foreign policy (but still genocidal)

                    And still, voting for less genocide instead of a little more genocide, explicitly enables genocide.

                    As long as you are able to vote for a party that doesn’t support genocide you are complicit in enabling genocide when you vote for Biden or Trump. Just because all the other Nazi’s voted for Hitler it doesn’t mean it makes it any better when you do so yourself. You are responsible for your actions, not those of others.