What do you think would finally be their, “Enough, we gotta say something!” situation?
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Put another way, what might serve as a cosmic icebreaker?
What do you think would finally be their, “Enough, we gotta say something!” situation?
Edit:
Put another way, what might serve as a cosmic icebreaker?
The oppressive existential threat you reference doesn’t need to exist for the universe to be a dark forest universe. It’s enough for every sufficiently advanced civilization to realize that such a threat could exist and remain quiet and hidden just in case.
Right but that’s fragile. All it takes is one group to break the ice and suddenly they’re all talking.
Also, is the theory that we could live in a dark forest because every single species is insular enough to be afraid of such a threat? That means they all have to believe in the threat and yet also no species is aggressive enough to become the threat. But none of them thinks, “Wait, either we’re alone or everyone is hiding. If everyone is hiding, then the threat can’t exist, so we may as well say something.”
Again, it’s fragile. I find it completely unconvincing.
The Prime Directive concept is way more believable to me, as is the idea that life is just sparse.
All it takes is one civilization to shoot off their mouth and get destroyed by a much more advanced neighbor, in some way that doesn’t look quite natural. That will tend to confirm the cosmic paranoia.
As I said elsewhere: that’s no longer a dark forest. The moment one civilisation speaks up, they all know they’re not alone. Then they’re in a different universe, one where there’s no longer a paradox because they’ve found each other.
You’re arguing based on a lot of misconceptions about the idea. Have you read “Three Body Problem” and/or the other books in the series?
Maybe you could explain the idea then? No, I haven’t read that book.
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I do agree with your probability assessment; I too think that the Prime Directive is a more plausible answer to the Fermi paradox, as is “we’re just alone”.
However, it is not necessarily the case that everyone suddenly gets talking as soon as one of them breaks radio silence. If everyone is silent because of a perceived possible threat, then it stands to reason they will continue to be silent even when they receive a message.