Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

    • @Tattorack@lemmy.world
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      771 year ago

      Sure it can. But that doesn’t mean it is.

      Oh I’m sure if you look hard enough you’ll find one or two nazis hiding anywhere, even if they don’t identy as nazi or even know what it means.

      But Russia, with its actions, have proven themselves to be an imperialist, nationalist, fascist piece of shit. And while both could be true, actions speak louder.

      • cannache
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        -61 year ago

        I think it’s pretty natural to want good things for your imaginary team, everywhere you go across the USA you’ll see whites, blacks, asians, etc even in Chinatowns where people, particularly migrants consistently demonstrate a need to be self reliant, and on a higher level, extending that to your country, region or continent is not necessarily indicative of an anti-collaborative attitude at all.

        I look at it like a case of expanding your circle of sympathies from yourself, to your country, and further towards a collective transhumanism. If you cannot take care of yourself, rationally, you should be skeptical of your ability to take care of others, and makeup etc often does no justice considering the price these days

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        -481 year ago

        integrating the azov brigade into the national guard sounds like a bunch of Nazis are in the government to me.

        • @Jonna@lemmy.world
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          281 year ago

          Yeah, it’s a problem. A threatened country integrated a fascist militia into its army. Yes, and that’s bad.

          But the country as a whole does not like Nazis at all, and doesn’t vote for them.

          “In the 2019 Ukrainian elections, the far-right nationalist electoral alliance, including Svoboda, National Corps, Right Sector, Azov Battalion, OUN, and Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, under-performed expectations. In the presidential election, its candidate Ruslan Koshulynskyi received 1.6% of the vote, and in the parliamentary election, it was reduced to a single seat and saw its national vote fall to 2.15%, half of its result from 2014 and one-quarter of its result from 2012.”

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukraine

          The country has a Jewish president and a Muslim cabinet minister. Sound like a Nazi country to you?

          • @Mirshe@lemmy.world
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            111 year ago

            Agreed. Remember the golden rule of warfare: so long as the guy beside you is shooting in the right direction, you can sort your differences out later.

          • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            -201 year ago

            The country has a Jewish president and a Muslim cabinet minister. Sound like a Nazi country to you?

            identity politics are boring. there were Jewish collaborators in the third Reich.

            • @player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              In most cases, Jews who chose to collaborate with Nazis did so to guarantee their personal survival, which distinguished them from most other ethnic groups who collaborated with Nazi Germany. It’s not exactly a fair comparison.

              • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                -101 year ago

                but you see that identity is not a preventative for fascism, right? I don’t think the president of Ukraine is any more fascist than Biden or Obama. but I also take a pretty dim view of them.

                • @player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  I see your point and it stands. Certainly anyone can lead a country down the wrong path and we don’t know their true motives.

                  My point was mainly that the power structure is seemingly reversed, so the incentives don’t make as much sense.

                • @Jonna@lemmy.world
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                  While voting is a necessary but insufficient way to combat fascism, 96% of voting Ukrainians choosing to not support fascism is a good indicator that fascism is NOT on the agenda in Ukraine. A fascist coup by that 2% supporting fascism would be opposed by the vast majority of Ukraine.

                  You completely ignore that fact with your hardon for attacking the identity of persons chosen by the Ukrainians.

                  Edit to explain: I made no argument on what Zelinsky as a Jew or the Muslim cabinet member would be politically, which would be identity politics. This statement of fact (Zelinsky is Jewish) was relevant to the political preferences of the Ukrainian people. Fascists don’t choose Jews and Muslims to represent them.

                  Zelinsky is a pretty terrible neoliberal, and I’m not actually a fan. But I am a fan a national self determination. So was Lenin.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    You completely ignore that fact with your hardon for attacking the identity of persons chosen by the Ukrainians.

                    this is a spurious accusation and you should apologize

            • andrew_bidlaw
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              I don’t pick my favorite nazis here too lol. I point out one had 9 years of being dismantled and intermixed with regular corps, meaning it’s non-existent by now, and one is still intact and active as it’s own entity.

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                one had 9 years of being dismantled and intermixed with regular corps, meaning it’s non-existent by now

                i don’t believe this is true for a second. integrating was wrong: some of those Nazis surely stayed in leadership, shaping an even larger recruitment base. that shit doesn’t just disappear. it must be rooted out.

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          The irony of the whole Azov thing is a majority of their members are ex Russians who moved to East Ukraine because Russia wasn’t being Nazi enough for them.

    • andrew_bidlaw
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      191 year ago

      You need to study the subject more closely before stating that (: Slavik nazism is a deep rabbithole, but for the purpose of this article, I compare two governments, and one of them does indulge in that kind of rhetoric more than the other.

      • cannache
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        -31 year ago

        I dunno man, obviously I don’t like Russia for the dictatorship and propaganda aspect, but if we’re comparing hot German ladies to Russian ladies, someone should really call the Wagner boss for his opinion hahaha

        • andrew_bidlaw
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          Prigozhin is dead and old tho, I won’t trust his opinion in choosing a date material lol. All women are different, all have their preferences and kinks, and it’s not a question of a race or an ethnicity mostly, but your personal compatibility with this exact girl. Some russian women like what you ennjoy, some don’t, same with germanese.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I don’t think either government is any better than the other. I don’t think either set of Nazis is any better than the other.

        • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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          Are you suggesting that the Russian military isn’t part of the Russian government, which is doing pogroms against gays?

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              Most countries aren’t fighting in an existential war either, sometimes one must take the allies they can get. You seem to be implying that Azov’s existence means something about Ukrainian national policy though, which is totally wrong. Zelensky is Jewish, and as others have pointed out to you Azov is shrinking and its members being integrated into other units:

              The regiment’s size was estimated to be around 2,500 combatants in 2017, and around 900 in 2022

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                sometimes one must take the allies they can get.

                it’s one thing to send them to the front lines with slingshots, it’s another entirely to let them poison your own ranks.

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                  You don’t murder your own troops in war, even if you don’t like them, I shouldn’t have to tell you this holy shit

                  You totally have the Russian mindset

    • lad
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      71 year ago

      It’s a bit unsettling how this statement resembles whataboutism often employed by Russian politicians to brush off any criticism