The funny thing is that we actually see oxygen, but as a gas it’s so dispersed that it’s almost fully transparent.
In theory, if you could press enough air into a tight enough volume (like, say, 1 cubic meter of air into a 1 cubic centimeter), you’d get a similar result.
Earth’s atmosphere is also the reason why we see some stars flickering. The light of the star is constant, but our atmosphere creates diffusion, so some of the photons don’t reach our retinas. Technically, if you and your next door neighbor look at the same star, it’s flickering for both of you, but the flickering is not synchronous since position of observation matters.
The fact that blue light gets scattered by the atmosphere is due to the fact that there’s just so much of it and not bcoz the atmosphere inherently is non-transparent
I’m saying if the atmosphere was smaller, scattering would be less and blue colour may not appear. So the blue colour is not because the atmosphere is “not entirely transparent” like the commenter said, but because there is enough of the atmosphere that the scattering effect is prominent.
And yet, if the atmosphere was fully transparent, there would be no scattering of light. The blue colour is an effect of the amount of air, but there would be no colour at all if air was fully transparent.
That is funny. According to you, for a medium to be called “fully transparent” there has to be no scattering of light. By that definition, water and air are not “fully transparent”. I’m not sure if such a material exists that doesn’t scatter any amount of light.
Correct. The only substance I can imagine being completely transparent would be some kind of dark matter. Everything else still interacts with light, no matter how little. Even deep space isn’t completely transparent, as we can tell what elements exists as interstellar and intergalactic dust from spectrographs.
Atmospheric absorption spectrum -
We can see (heh) that the atmosphere is completely opaque to most electromagnetic radiation before scattering. Only some microwaves and short radio waves can pass without any absorption.
Atmospheric transmission spectrum -
We can see that not even 60% of visible light is transmitted to the surface directly due primarily to scattering losses. That scattered light is why our sky is blue during the day and orange at sunset/sunrise. Mars’ atmosphere is orange during the day and blue at sunset/sunrise for the same reason.
The physics of light scattering doesn’t change based on how much atmosphere you have, even a single particle can scatter light. In fact, the physics of scattering is based on single particles, and the particle size is what differentiates Rayleigh scattering from Mie scattering. Other interactions with the incident particle can cause Raman and Compton scattering too. None of these need multiple particles.
Because scattering happens when photons hit particles, so the more particles the more scattering.
Light coming at you thru the atmosphere from above has a much shorter trip through the atmosphere than light coming at you near the horizon.
The longer path length means more chances to hit particles and scatter and the higher frequency ‘blue-er’ light gets filtered out more or absorbed and reradiated as a lower frequency light, more so than the lower freq red/yellow light.
By that definition, water and air are not “fully transparent”. I’m not sure if such a material exists that doesn’t scatter any amount of light.
That seems to be the scientific consensus, yes. It’s like friction, no material is truly frictionless just like no material is truly completely transparent. The ocean gets real dark once you get deep enough which does seem to suggest that water is not fully transparent.
If i’m not mistaken, that much pressure would actually increase the temperature, something about the same amount of energy being more densely packed. Someone who actually knows physics can certainly explain it better
Yes. pV=nRT. If you keep n constant (same number of particles), drop the volume (V) and crank the pressure (p) proportionally, then the only variable left is T, which would have to rise. This is called adiabatic compression. What’s being described is an engine piston the size of the atmosphere and a compression ratio thousands of times higher than what we can normally make.
The funny thing is that we actually see oxygen, but as a gas it’s so dispersed that it’s almost fully transparent.
In theory, if you could press enough air into a tight enough volume (like, say, 1 cubic meter of air into a 1 cubic centimeter), you’d get a similar result.
Okay, but if you press god into a tight enough volume (like, say 1 cubic metre …
Could God make a burrito so hot that he couldn’t eat it?
Could God make himself so visible that he couldn’t be denied to exist?
Could God drop a fart so rank even He can’t stand the smell?
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I mean, the reason the sky is blue is due to the atmosphere’s effects on light and the fact that it’s not fully transparent.
Its blue because of Nitrogen more than Oxygen, considering the relative densities.
And also, ofc, because of Avagadro’s Number.
Yeah, should have mentioned that myself as well. Was not my intention to imply that the colour of the sky is the colour of oxygen.
Earth’s atmosphere is also the reason why we see some stars flickering. The light of the star is constant, but our atmosphere creates diffusion, so some of the photons don’t reach our retinas. Technically, if you and your next door neighbor look at the same star, it’s flickering for both of you, but the flickering is not synchronous since position of observation matters.
The fact that blue light gets scattered by the atmosphere is due to the fact that there’s just so much of it and not bcoz the atmosphere inherently is non-transparent
So the atmosphere interacts with light because it’s there, not because it interacts with light??
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I’m saying if the atmosphere was smaller, scattering would be less and blue colour may not appear. So the blue colour is not because the atmosphere is “not entirely transparent” like the commenter said, but because there is enough of the atmosphere that the scattering effect is prominent.
And yet, if the atmosphere was fully transparent, there would be no scattering of light. The blue colour is an effect of the amount of air, but there would be no colour at all if air was fully transparent.
That is funny. According to you, for a medium to be called “fully transparent” there has to be no scattering of light. By that definition, water and air are not “fully transparent”. I’m not sure if such a material exists that doesn’t scatter any amount of light.
Correct. The only substance I can imagine being completely transparent would be some kind of dark matter. Everything else still interacts with light, no matter how little. Even deep space isn’t completely transparent, as we can tell what elements exists as interstellar and intergalactic dust from spectrographs.
Atmospheric absorption spectrum - We can see (heh) that the atmosphere is completely opaque to most electromagnetic radiation before scattering. Only some microwaves and short radio waves can pass without any absorption.
Atmospheric transmission spectrum - We can see that not even 60% of visible light is transmitted to the surface directly due primarily to scattering losses. That scattered light is why our sky is blue during the day and orange at sunset/sunrise. Mars’ atmosphere is orange during the day and blue at sunset/sunrise for the same reason.
The physics of light scattering doesn’t change based on how much atmosphere you have, even a single particle can scatter light. In fact, the physics of scattering is based on single particles, and the particle size is what differentiates Rayleigh scattering from Mie scattering. Other interactions with the incident particle can cause Raman and Compton scattering too. None of these need multiple particles.
The density of the atmosphere matters.
Because scattering happens when photons hit particles, so the more particles the more scattering.
Light coming at you thru the atmosphere from above has a much shorter trip through the atmosphere than light coming at you near the horizon.
The longer path length means more chances to hit particles and scatter and the higher frequency ‘blue-er’ light gets filtered out more or absorbed and reradiated as a lower frequency light, more so than the lower freq red/yellow light.
Photons should be fully transparent right?
That seems to be the scientific consensus, yes. It’s like friction, no material is truly frictionless just like no material is truly completely transparent. The ocean gets real dark once you get deep enough which does seem to suggest that water is not fully transparent.
I love when people are both nitpicky AND wrong
If you did pack all that oxygen that right, wouldn’t the temperature also drop to about a similar level?
If i’m not mistaken, that much pressure would actually increase the temperature, something about the same amount of energy being more densely packed. Someone who actually knows physics can certainly explain it better
Yes. pV=nRT. If you keep n constant (same number of particles), drop the volume (V) and crank the pressure (p) proportionally, then the only variable left is T, which would have to rise. This is called adiabatic compression. What’s being described is an engine piston the size of the atmosphere and a compression ratio thousands of times higher than what we can normally make.
This guy chemistries. Also, oh the memories of yester year suffering two semesters only to remember none of it 🥲
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