The thing is: Hamas is the only organization actually doing anything for the Palestinian cause (remember 2021). I also find the designation terrorist group pretty biased towards the US (the attack’s details are still up in the air, and otherwise they’re using questionable means to fight an occupier), but either way “ban Hamas” does nothing but reaffirm the status quo. Anyone designating Hamas as a terrorist group has to do the same for Israel, because they do everything Hamas is criticized for doing, only on a larger scale and with a lot more dead people.
Are you seriously questioning the designation of Hamas as a terrorist group?
What. The. Fuck. Is. Wrong. With. You?
Israel is occupying Palestine. Netanyahu’s government is implementing collective punishment. The IDF have killed 10x as many civilians as Hamas. And Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Hamas has singlehandedly set back the prospects for a Palestinian state for years, maybe decades. It’s really ironic that you believe they do anything to help Palestinians. Also they are the ones who have the biggest interest in getting as many Palestinian people killed by Israel as they possibly can. They do so by preventing them from leaving and using them as human shields for their military installations.
Hamas has singlehandedly set back the prospects for a Palestinian state for years, maybe decades.
They’ve been set back since Netenyahu got elected in 1996. That’s the moment when peace failed; everything that came after was farces, and the result of that was Hamas winning the election in 2006.
You can go back and forth, decade for decade to the creation of the state of Israel and infinitely point fingers at either side on why palestinian statehood never became a thing. Fact is, it won’t be a thing in the foreseeable future and the good will and sympathy that the people in Gaza had with many Israeli probably suffered a lot as well. And no one in their right mind can argue that the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn’t be better off if they were governed by literally anyone else than a terror org that is functionally an Iranian proxy.
it won’t be a thing in the foreseeable future and the good will and sympathy that the people in Gaza had with many Israeli probably suffered a lot as well.
Does goodwill that doesn’t translate into action even matter? I mean the only time they elected a guy who was willing to solve the whole thing he was assassinated and Netanyahu came in his place. This is like saying the Irish lost the British’s sympathy because of the troubles, which is like yeah I guess but unless that goodwill generates action it doesn’t matter. Important historical context here is that Israel never came to the negotiation table without use of force by Palestinians. Even the Oslo accords only came by because of the first intifada.
That is to say, Hamas’s approach doesn’t have good odds of success, but it’s good a much better shot than whatever the PNA is doing in the West Bank, and Israel has created a situation where only these two options exist.
Hamas literally ran politically as MODERATES. They’ve gone full jihadist. Without democratic process to keep the structure honest no party can be trusted.
What? Idk what the specifics of their platform were, but Hamas’s general platform was “10 years of peace and we got nothing, 5 years of fighting and we freed Gaza”.
The thing is: Hamas is the only organization actually doing anything for the Palestinian cause (remember 2021). I also find the designation terrorist group pretty biased towards the US (the attack’s details are still up in the air, and otherwise they’re using questionable means to fight an occupier), but either way “ban Hamas” does nothing but reaffirm the status quo. Anyone designating Hamas as a terrorist group has to do the same for Israel, because they do everything Hamas is criticized for doing, only on a larger scale and with a lot more dead people.
Are you seriously questioning the designation of Hamas as a terrorist group?
What. The. Fuck. Is. Wrong. With. You?
Israel is occupying Palestine. Netanyahu’s government is implementing collective punishment. The IDF have killed 10x as many civilians as Hamas. And Hamas is a terrorist organization.
AFAIK Hamas has mostly been doing rocket attacks since 2006, which are pretty questionable but have a clear military purpose.
You’re correct on most things.
Thanks for thinking for yourself.
Hamas has singlehandedly set back the prospects for a Palestinian state for years, maybe decades. It’s really ironic that you believe they do anything to help Palestinians. Also they are the ones who have the biggest interest in getting as many Palestinian people killed by Israel as they possibly can. They do so by preventing them from leaving and using them as human shields for their military installations.
They’ve been set back since Netenyahu got elected in 1996. That’s the moment when peace failed; everything that came after was farces, and the result of that was Hamas winning the election in 2006.
You can go back and forth, decade for decade to the creation of the state of Israel and infinitely point fingers at either side on why palestinian statehood never became a thing. Fact is, it won’t be a thing in the foreseeable future and the good will and sympathy that the people in Gaza had with many Israeli probably suffered a lot as well. And no one in their right mind can argue that the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn’t be better off if they were governed by literally anyone else than a terror org that is functionally an Iranian proxy.
Does goodwill that doesn’t translate into action even matter? I mean the only time they elected a guy who was willing to solve the whole thing he was assassinated and Netanyahu came in his place. This is like saying the Irish lost the British’s sympathy because of the troubles, which is like yeah I guess but unless that goodwill generates action it doesn’t matter. Important historical context here is that Israel never came to the negotiation table without use of force by Palestinians. Even the Oslo accords only came by because of the first intifada.
That is to say, Hamas’s approach doesn’t have good odds of success, but it’s good a much better shot than whatever the PNA is doing in the West Bank, and Israel has created a situation where only these two options exist.
Hamas literally ran politically as MODERATES. They’ve gone full jihadist. Without democratic process to keep the structure honest no party can be trusted.
What? Idk what the specifics of their platform were, but Hamas’s general platform was “10 years of peace and we got nothing, 5 years of fighting and we freed Gaza”.