Germany urgently needs skilled workers from abroad. Now the rules for immigrants from non-EU countries are set to gradually change starting November 18, 2023. Here's what's in store.
As long as your permit is tied to a single employer for the first two years and you need to send the contract to the immigration office that then sends it to the emplyoment office, which then has to decide whether there might be a German who could do the job,then send it back and finally after three months to six month of waiting, you finally are allowed to enter the country and start working, none of these relaxed rules will really help.
The enitre process is a huge shitshow and the idea behind it remains that you the worthless foreigner should get on your knees and beg for the great heavem of Germany to grant you permission to enter. Because of that the law for modernizing citizenship still didnt pass, and probably wont because the conservatives and reactionaries are drooling with “the German citizenship is a priviledge and must not be given away for free!!!11!” at the suggestion to lower the requirement from 6-8 years to 3-5 years.
On top of that be prepared to be insulted and assaulted, if you come to Germany and look “brown” in any way. Also the next government will likely be a right populist with fascist extremist coalition so expect most of these rules to be revoked. Finally if you do come here and you do stay here, be ready for the children of your grandchildren to be considered foreigners.
Yeah, pretty much all of that. I don’t get why anyone who’s competent in their field would pick Germany as a work destination from a worldwide selection of countries. And I’m German.
The rule doesnt make sense when the reality since years is, that companys often dont find Germans in many jobs. So in reality there is little cases, where that happens and instead it is wasting everyones time. And that is harmfull for all Germans. It is tax money spent on useless administration,but more importantly it is time that people are delayed from work. So no productivity, no taxes, no payments to the pension and health funds.
This is not entirely true. Many employees simply do not want to pay a fair wage, they do not want to educate their own employees and they hate older job seekers.
Their dream is to hire already fully educated 20somethings who work for minimum wage. Keeping other countries desperate is great for German employers. So is to outsource all education.
They don’t care for the people here who have to live from welfare money that gets cut left and right. Or for the people who are desperately looking for work after being stay at home parents or after illness. They won’t even offer apprenticeships. And those that do only accept young applicants.
It’s not the norm to get insulted and assaulted if you look “brown” in big cities.
Some Shitvillage in Saxonia maybe, but usually not in big university cities
Being insulted is still prevalent. It doesn’t have to be slurs, but for example using “du” when speaking to nonwhite people in situations where “sie” would absolutely be the default. That’s one type of racist insulting that’s still very prevalent.
Yes it is. All of my friends, whoa re eprceived brown, from the people that moved to Germany six years ago, to the people whose grandparents came to Germany 60 years ago, experienced racism regurarly, and often racist violence such as getting chased after, being spit at, or in once case an ambush with knives. And this is all in Berlin, Hamburg, “Left leaning” University towns and so on.
Germany is an extremely racist country and it has gotten much worse over the past years.
I have many international friends in university and they never mentioned anything like this.
Only that the Ausländerbehörde are a bunch of entitled Assholes.
But I don’t live in Hamburg or Berlin, so I can’t comment on this, only that it’s sad that such things seem to still happen there
As long as your permit is tied to a single employer for the first two years and you need to send the contract to the immigration office that then sends it to the emplyoment office, which then has to decide whether there might be a German who could do the job,then send it back and finally after three months to six month of waiting, you finally are allowed to enter the country and start working, none of these relaxed rules will really help.
The enitre process is a huge shitshow and the idea behind it remains that you the worthless foreigner should get on your knees and beg for the great heavem of Germany to grant you permission to enter. Because of that the law for modernizing citizenship still didnt pass, and probably wont because the conservatives and reactionaries are drooling with “the German citizenship is a priviledge and must not be given away for free!!!11!” at the suggestion to lower the requirement from 6-8 years to 3-5 years.
On top of that be prepared to be insulted and assaulted, if you come to Germany and look “brown” in any way. Also the next government will likely be a right populist with fascist extremist coalition so expect most of these rules to be revoked. Finally if you do come here and you do stay here, be ready for the children of your grandchildren to be considered foreigners.
Yeah, pretty much all of that. I don’t get why anyone who’s competent in their field would pick Germany as a work destination from a worldwide selection of countries. And I’m German.
As someone who immigrated to Belgium as skilled labor (engineering).
Sometimes there is no choice if you love someone from there.
Belgium. My man, that must be a wonderful person you’ve got there. On the other hand: Excellent choices of beer.
@tryptaminev @sv1sjp
> The law is set up so that German citizens have first crack at jobs.
> This is unacceptable!
Why do you hate Native Germans so much?
i dont hate Germans.
The rule doesnt make sense when the reality since years is, that companys often dont find Germans in many jobs. So in reality there is little cases, where that happens and instead it is wasting everyones time. And that is harmfull for all Germans. It is tax money spent on useless administration,but more importantly it is time that people are delayed from work. So no productivity, no taxes, no payments to the pension and health funds.
This is not entirely true. Many employees simply do not want to pay a fair wage, they do not want to educate their own employees and they hate older job seekers.
Their dream is to hire already fully educated 20somethings who work for minimum wage. Keeping other countries desperate is great for German employers. So is to outsource all education.
They don’t care for the people here who have to live from welfare money that gets cut left and right. Or for the people who are desperately looking for work after being stay at home parents or after illness. They won’t even offer apprenticeships. And those that do only accept young applicants.
It’s not the norm to get insulted and assaulted if you look “brown” in big cities. Some Shitvillage in Saxonia maybe, but usually not in big university cities
Being insulted is still prevalent. It doesn’t have to be slurs, but for example using “du” when speaking to nonwhite people in situations where “sie” would absolutely be the default. That’s one type of racist insulting that’s still very prevalent.
Yes it is. All of my friends, whoa re eprceived brown, from the people that moved to Germany six years ago, to the people whose grandparents came to Germany 60 years ago, experienced racism regurarly, and often racist violence such as getting chased after, being spit at, or in once case an ambush with knives. And this is all in Berlin, Hamburg, “Left leaning” University towns and so on.
Germany is an extremely racist country and it has gotten much worse over the past years.
Hahaha, what a damn load.
Ahh yes. Germans and looking away and denying the prevalence of racism. Name a more iconic duo.
I have many international friends in university and they never mentioned anything like this. Only that the Ausländerbehörde are a bunch of entitled Assholes. But I don’t live in Hamburg or Berlin, so I can’t comment on this, only that it’s sad that such things seem to still happen there