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Boohoo, gun control is hard so we aren’t gonna do it. Dead kids just gonna keep piling up till you do. Stop killing kids with your emotional support weapons you fucking cowards. How about that for opening your goddamned mind, or is the only mind opening you know the sort that happens with lead in American schools.
I don’t believe you’re reading anything I write with an open mind or good faith.
I’ve tried to explain that we HAVE tried, we DO try, almost any gun control you might propose either exist in one state or another or has been tried at some poine.
It sounds like your approach is either ‘do exactly what we do the way we do it or you’re wrong’.
I’m happy to debate in good faith, but that requires you to read and address what I write rather than just throw insults and restate the same points you’ve already said (which I’ve already addressed).
I don’t believe your populace has done anything significant otherwise there’d be significant change. Actions speak louder than words. Have fun burying your babies.
I believe in the scientific method- test your theory and others, then go by what works and stop doing what doesn’t. Do you generally agree with this?
If you do, then how do you explain the fact that on your own link the state by state data shows little correlation between anti-gun policies in a state and low rates of gun homicide in the state?
If taking serious anti-gun action would actually reduce gun homicide, wouldn’t you expect states like DC and IL (which have strong gun control) to have less gun homicide, and states like VT, NH and UT (which have little or no gun control other than the federal minimum requirements) to have more gun homicide?
It seems to me that the policy YOU advocate isn’t having a demonstrably positive effect. How do you explain that?
Because you also lack social services to move people out of poverty, you lack decent education, you lack food security. If you can’t see how these might increase one’s feeling of helplessness or danger of being attacked by those without, then you’re the one only ever looking at one part of the problem. Fucking dumbass americans, see the tip of the iceberg and think they have the whole picture. Fix your social welfare systems, fix your education systems, fix your gerrymandered bullshit electoral system, and stop killing your fucking kids.
Pathetic, weak willed, child mudering, emotional support weapon toting, undereducated, underfed, unhoused, violent, cowardly, ignorant troglodyte Americans are the problem. You are the problem.
The fact that you aren’t as angry at your politicians and representatives as I am at you is proof you don’t even think to care about fixing the problem. You’d rather count the ways you can shirk responsibility. At least you have plenty of dead kids to use to keep track of how many responsibilities you shirk, because you’ll run out of fingers.
Funny how Americans are all “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” right up until the point where they actually need to think about the children. A country filled with muppets, all mouth, no brain, and someone else’s hand up your arse driving your actions.
There’s not much point in continuing, no number of insults no matter how pointed and accurate are going to get you to shed your wilful ignorance and intentional belligerence or accept any measure of personal responsibility. Lord knows you’re too individual to be responsible.
I mean, if dead kids can’t change your mind, what will?
Because you also lack social services to move people out of poverty, you lack decent education, you lack food security. If you can’t see how these might increase one’s feeling of helplessness or danger of being attacked by those without, then you’re the one only ever looking at one part of the problem. … Fix your social welfare systems, fix your education systems, fix your gerrymandered bullshit electoral system…
And if you read my replies in this thread, you’d recognize that I agree 100% with this. Many Americans do.
The fact that you aren’t as angry at your politicians and representatives as I am at you is proof you don’t even think to care about fixing the problem.
Where did I ever say that I am not? Most people are angry at Congress. We’re just all angry about different things.
Funny how Americans are all “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” right up until the point where they actually need to think about the children.
I agree strongly with this, although perhaps not in the same way as you. My anger with this is the religious/conservative obsession with preventing abortion, but the same people repeatedly defund programs that would help single and impoverished mothers like nutrition assistance, cheap/free childcare, etc. Same thing with reproductive health care that might stop an unwanted pregnancy before it starts. I’m strongly against such people.
As I see it- even if you ignore the humanitarian side (which we shouldn’t), contraceptives are cheaper than abortion, abortion is cheaper than childcare and education, education is cheaper than police, and police are cheaper than incarcerating a bunch of inner city kids who have no future and no resources so they turn to crime and drugs and gangs.
And on a humanitarian side, we should take care of our own citizens.
There’s not much point in continuing, no number of insults no matter how pointed and accurate are going to get you to shed your wilful ignorance and intentional belligerence or accept any measure of personal responsibility. Lord knows you’re too individual to be responsible.
I would agree we shouldn’t continue, mainly because you seem to not be listening to or addressing anything I actually say. It seems like you have this image of a stereotypical dumb hick American who DGAF about anyone but themself and some psychotic love for weapons, and you’re arguing against that straw man rather than addressing anything I actually say. It appears that your mind is entirely closed, your responses suggest that you acknowledge only two possibilities- that someone is just as anti-gun as you are, or that they are all the negative things I just mentioned.
The sad thing is I think we do or might agree on an awful lot. But it seems like your mind closes to that possibility the second I say I’m pro-gun.
Keep killing them kids Yosamite Sam. Keep pretending like doing nothing will work. Keep pretending like not doing good enough is good enough. You can’t provide any significant rebuttal because there is none, all you can do is cry about how I don’t see things from your perspective when you refuse to see things from the perspective of dead kids. You’d do more for them than most people by just copying and pasting our conversation and sending it to your representatives, but I bet you barely vote, let alone engage with those actually making the rules.
PS. I am pro-gun, you’re pro-dead kids. I wish you’d learn the difference. Your opinion is irrelevant when there’s evidence of what works.
“Nothing works!” says only country in the entire world where this happens regularly.
“What you do won’t work for us!” says the only country not doing what works.
“But we’re 50 small countries!” says the country that ignores the EU exists and doesn’t have a federal government.
“But our gun problem is unique!” says country that has the same problems others did before they did something.
“But the guns aren’t the problem!” says the richest country that refuses to fix any problem.
“But my rights!” says the country where gun owners have more rights than women.
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):
United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
Afghanistan — 3
Brazil, Canada, France — 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1
Number of countries with ZERO school shootings: 174. You have almost two school shootings for every country that doesn’t, not per year, for a whole decade and I hear you’ve been trying to up those numbers the last few years. Now that’s a record to be proud of…
The excuses Americans will make for allowing themselves to ignore the dead kid problem is astounding.
And you just spent 48 hours proving me right. And I guarantee you still won’t contact a single representative but will gladly tell me again how you can’t fix it because of Americas unique snowflake status. Go give your emotional support weapon a hug, make sure your NRA membership is up to date, don’t worry, no-one is coming to take it, Americans collectively decided you prefer dead kids. Because that’s exactly what you want when you’re told you can HAVE guns and NO school shootings and your response is “NO! I WANT GUNS!”. The citizens of safe countries don’t need to defend their homes with firearms, but you don’t want to be safe, you want to feel safe. Don’t worry, everyone will notice when you don’t want dead kids instead of feeling like you don’t want dead kids. Just like when you decided you don’t want human rights.
Keep killing them kids Yosamite Sam.
You can’t provide any significant rebuttal because there is none
If you are 100% sure there is no rebuttal, that means your mind is closed. It means you are 100% sure you have the only correct position (all others are wrong). And against that, you’re right I can’t provide any significant because you refuse to open your mind and consider the potential significance (or lack thereof) of what I say.
But you are not doing that and have not done it this entire conversation. You appear to perceive me as Yosemite Sam, running around and screaming and firing guns into the air. And thus you don’t consider my words, you mock them and ignore them.
It’s not a very mature way to carry on a conversation. So I bid you good day.
If self-awareness was a disease you’d be the healthiest person alive. I notice you ignored literally everything else, like you do every time you respond. Hypocritical, intellectually disingenuous coward. Here’s the bits you missed:
Keep killing them kids Yosamite Sam. Keep pretending like doing nothing will work. Keep pretending like not doing good enough is good enough. You can’t provide any significant rebuttal because there is none, all you can do is cry about how I don’t see things from your perspective when you refuse to see things from the perspective of dead kids. You’d do more for them than most people by just copying and pasting our conversation and sending it to your representatives, but I bet you barely vote, let alone engage with those actually making the rules.
PS. I am pro-gun, you’re pro-dead kids. I wish you’d learn the difference. Your opinion is irrelevant when there’s evidence of what works.
“Nothing works!” says only country in the entire world where this happens regularly.
“What you do won’t work for us!” says the only country not doing what works.
“But we’re 50 small countries!” says the country that ignores the EU exists and doesn’t have a federal government.
“But our gun problem is unique!” says country that has the same problems others did before they did something.
“But the guns aren’t the problem!” says the richest country that refuses to fix any problem.
“But my rights!” says the country where gun owners have more rights than women.
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):
United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
Afghanistan — 3
Brazil, Canada, France — 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1
Number of countries with ZERO school shootings: 174. You have almost two school shootings for every country that doesn’t, not per year, for a whole decade and I hear you’ve been trying to up those numbers the last few years. Now that’s a record to be proud of…
The excuses Americans will make for allowing themselves to ignore the dead kid problem is astounding.
And you just spent 48 hours proving me right. And I guarantee you still won’t contact a single representative but will gladly tell me again how you can’t fix it because of Americas unique snowflake status. Go give your emotional support weapon a hug, make sure your NRA membership is up to date, don’t worry, no-one is coming to take it, Americans collectively decided you prefer dead kids. Because that’s exactly what you want when you’re told you can HAVE guns and NO school shootings and your response is “NO! I WANT GUNS!”. The citizens of safe countries don’t need to defend their homes with firearms, but you don’t want to be safe, you want to feel safe. Don’t worry, everyone will notice when you don’t want dead kids instead of feeling like you don’t want dead kids. Just like when you decided you don’t want human rights.
Boohoo, gun control is hard so we aren’t gonna do it. Dead kids just gonna keep piling up till you do. Stop killing kids with your emotional support weapons you fucking cowards. How about that for opening your goddamned mind, or is the only mind opening you know the sort that happens with lead in American schools.
I don’t believe you’re reading anything I write with an open mind or good faith.
I’ve tried to explain that we HAVE tried, we DO try, almost any gun control you might propose either exist in one state or another or has been tried at some poine.
It sounds like your approach is either ‘do exactly what we do the way we do it or you’re wrong’.
I’m happy to debate in good faith, but that requires you to read and address what I write rather than just throw insults and restate the same points you’ve already said (which I’ve already addressed).
I don’t believe your populace has done anything significant otherwise there’d be significant change. Actions speak louder than words. Have fun burying your babies.
I believe in the scientific method- test your theory and others, then go by what works and stop doing what doesn’t. Do you generally agree with this?
If you do, then how do you explain the fact that on your own link the state by state data shows little correlation between anti-gun policies in a state and low rates of gun homicide in the state?
If taking serious anti-gun action would actually reduce gun homicide, wouldn’t you expect states like DC and IL (which have strong gun control) to have less gun homicide, and states like VT, NH and UT (which have little or no gun control other than the federal minimum requirements) to have more gun homicide?
It seems to me that the policy YOU advocate isn’t having a demonstrably positive effect. How do you explain that?
Because you also lack social services to move people out of poverty, you lack decent education, you lack food security. If you can’t see how these might increase one’s feeling of helplessness or danger of being attacked by those without, then you’re the one only ever looking at one part of the problem. Fucking dumbass americans, see the tip of the iceberg and think they have the whole picture. Fix your social welfare systems, fix your education systems, fix your gerrymandered bullshit electoral system, and stop killing your fucking kids.
Pathetic, weak willed, child mudering, emotional support weapon toting, undereducated, underfed, unhoused, violent, cowardly, ignorant troglodyte Americans are the problem. You are the problem.
The fact that you aren’t as angry at your politicians and representatives as I am at you is proof you don’t even think to care about fixing the problem. You’d rather count the ways you can shirk responsibility. At least you have plenty of dead kids to use to keep track of how many responsibilities you shirk, because you’ll run out of fingers.
Funny how Americans are all “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” right up until the point where they actually need to think about the children. A country filled with muppets, all mouth, no brain, and someone else’s hand up your arse driving your actions.
There’s not much point in continuing, no number of insults no matter how pointed and accurate are going to get you to shed your wilful ignorance and intentional belligerence or accept any measure of personal responsibility. Lord knows you’re too individual to be responsible.
I mean, if dead kids can’t change your mind, what will?
And if you read my replies in this thread, you’d recognize that I agree 100% with this. Many Americans do.
Where did I ever say that I am not? Most people are angry at Congress. We’re just all angry about different things.
I agree strongly with this, although perhaps not in the same way as you. My anger with this is the religious/conservative obsession with preventing abortion, but the same people repeatedly defund programs that would help single and impoverished mothers like nutrition assistance, cheap/free childcare, etc. Same thing with reproductive health care that might stop an unwanted pregnancy before it starts. I’m strongly against such people.
As I see it- even if you ignore the humanitarian side (which we shouldn’t), contraceptives are cheaper than abortion, abortion is cheaper than childcare and education, education is cheaper than police, and police are cheaper than incarcerating a bunch of inner city kids who have no future and no resources so they turn to crime and drugs and gangs.
And on a humanitarian side, we should take care of our own citizens.
I would agree we shouldn’t continue, mainly because you seem to not be listening to or addressing anything I actually say. It seems like you have this image of a stereotypical dumb hick American who DGAF about anyone but themself and some psychotic love for weapons, and you’re arguing against that straw man rather than addressing anything I actually say. It appears that your mind is entirely closed, your responses suggest that you acknowledge only two possibilities- that someone is just as anti-gun as you are, or that they are all the negative things I just mentioned.
The sad thing is I think we do or might agree on an awful lot. But it seems like your mind closes to that possibility the second I say I’m pro-gun.
So I wish you all the best. Stay safe.
Keep killing them kids Yosamite Sam. Keep pretending like doing nothing will work. Keep pretending like not doing good enough is good enough. You can’t provide any significant rebuttal because there is none, all you can do is cry about how I don’t see things from your perspective when you refuse to see things from the perspective of dead kids. You’d do more for them than most people by just copying and pasting our conversation and sending it to your representatives, but I bet you barely vote, let alone engage with those actually making the rules.
PS. I am pro-gun, you’re pro-dead kids. I wish you’d learn the difference. Your opinion is irrelevant when there’s evidence of what works.
“Nothing works!” says only country in the entire world where this happens regularly.
“What you do won’t work for us!” says the only country not doing what works.
“But we’re 50 small countries!” says the country that ignores the EU exists and doesn’t have a federal government.
“But our gun problem is unique!” says country that has the same problems others did before they did something.
“But the guns aren’t the problem!” says the richest country that refuses to fix any problem.
“But my rights!” says the country where gun owners have more rights than women.
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):
Number of countries with ZERO school shootings: 174. You have almost two school shootings for every country that doesn’t, not per year, for a whole decade and I hear you’ve been trying to up those numbers the last few years. Now that’s a record to be proud of…
And you just spent 48 hours proving me right. And I guarantee you still won’t contact a single representative but will gladly tell me again how you can’t fix it because of Americas unique snowflake status. Go give your emotional support weapon a hug, make sure your NRA membership is up to date, don’t worry, no-one is coming to take it, Americans collectively decided you prefer dead kids. Because that’s exactly what you want when you’re told you can HAVE guns and NO school shootings and your response is “NO! I WANT GUNS!”. The citizens of safe countries don’t need to defend their homes with firearms, but you don’t want to be safe, you want to feel safe. Don’t worry, everyone will notice when you don’t want dead kids instead of feeling like you don’t want dead kids. Just like when you decided you don’t want human rights.
If you are 100% sure there is no rebuttal, that means your mind is closed. It means you are 100% sure you have the only correct position (all others are wrong). And against that, you’re right I can’t provide any significant because you refuse to open your mind and consider the potential significance (or lack thereof) of what I say.
But you are not doing that and have not done it this entire conversation. You appear to perceive me as Yosemite Sam, running around and screaming and firing guns into the air. And thus you don’t consider my words, you mock them and ignore them.
It’s not a very mature way to carry on a conversation. So I bid you good day.
If self-awareness was a disease you’d be the healthiest person alive. I notice you ignored literally everything else, like you do every time you respond. Hypocritical, intellectually disingenuous coward. Here’s the bits you missed: