Harping on people to get married from up in the ivory tower fails to engage with reality of life in the dating trenches.

  • Redhotkurt
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    138 months ago

    It’ll stop once it stops being a problem. FTA:

    He had recently read about a high school creative writing assignment in which boys and girls were asked to imagine a day from the perspective of the opposite sex. While girls wrote detailed essays showing they had already spent significant time thinking about the subject, many boys simply refused to do the exercise or did so resentfully.

    I mean, we’re not just talking about the ability to communicate (which is important), but the basic ability to empathize. If men (in general) are unwilling to even consider the female point of view, is it any wonder why women have a difficult time dating? This isn’t happening in a vacuum; there are real reasons why this is happening.

    • snooggums
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      8 months ago

      Boys refusing to do an exercise about imagining a day as the other gender represents a social problem, not a men problem. High school boys who refuse to imagine themselves as someone else were taught to be resistant to that idea, and not only by men but society as a whole.

      • Redhotkurt
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        148 months ago

        I feel like this is already devolving into an almost semantic-like argument about whom to blame: boys, the men they become, societal expectations, societal reinforcement, parents, religion…can we throw the word “blame” out for a minute? I was wrong to assign blame. Blaming men isn’t going to help and is just making it worse, and frankly distracts from the real issue. I took a destructive approach and would like to rewind a bit.

        Ok, so assuming I haven’t lost everyone, how do we solve this problem improve this situation in the long term? We can all agree behavior is learned, right? So maybe agree on education (general education/child-rearing, not necessarily only formal school education), and go from there?

        • @HikingVet@lemmy.ca
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          108 months ago

          Maybe we stop with top down one size fits all solutions to human interaction? The article is a good example of part of the problem, as it seems to exonerate one group while putting all the onus for change on the other. Mainly by it having essentially a single position from all them people that the author uses as sources and references and the narrow scope that they actually show.

        • dumplesOP
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          58 months ago

          Agreed. No one’s to blame but should work on fixing it

    • @zarathustra0@lemmy.world
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      118 months ago

      Think of the structural issues which have caused this to be the case. Blaming men for not achieving an externally defined target isn’t going to help anyone.

      Hate the game, not the player.

    • @Surp@lemmy.world
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      118 months ago

      You couldn’t be more in your own echo chamber. If other men are telling you woman also act the same way as some men and also have issues and you refuse to see another position or point of view you are the problem.

      • Redhotkurt
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        I mean. I did take back what I said, admitted I was wrong, and corrected myself with a more reasonable approach.

    • I would hesitate to draw conclusions from something like that. Both me and a lot of the other men I know just flat out skipped basically every assignment like that if it didn’t give enough points to be worth the effort, from middle school up through college.

      Beyond that, it just seems like a shitty assignment as a whole. Because either a) it’s done under an assumption that their day as the opposite sex would be spontaneous, and thus would have very few relevant differences from their normal days (and we can easily guess those differences) or b) it’s done under an assumption of having always been the opposite sex, in which case it would just be an exercise in the butterfly effect, since huge amounts of things would be different, to the point that any generic hypothetical day would work.

      All this is to say, it’s a prime assignment for skipping

    • @AtmaJnana@lemmy.world
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      15 months ago

      You take one cherry-picked anecdote and then generalize that to the entire population. You are the problem.