Israeli PM said to have turned down proposal in early talks and continues to take tough line

  • TheDankHold
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    171 year ago

    In the West Bank, with no Hamas presence, Israeli settlers backed by the IDF come kill them and take their homes. The Israeli leadership doesn’t want a two state solution because extreme Zionists are in power.

      • TheDankHold
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        21 year ago

        They went from occupation to siege. Not much improvement. I also wasn’t talking about Gaza so try to stay on topic.

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          31 year ago

          I was taking about Gaza, since that’s where Hamas is primarily active, and that’s what the original comment was about. That’s why I was focusing on Gaza.

          • TheDankHold
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            31 year ago

            I’m talking about Palestinians in general because they all get brutalized and Hamas is used as justification when they are only in one territory. Hamas is used as a distraction from the fact that Israelis just want to steal all of Palestinians land.

            Regardless, the occupation in Gaza turned into a blockade/siege, why do people say they occupation stopped like that meant anything in practical terms for the citizens on the ground.

    • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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      -31 year ago

      They weren’t in power when Hamas came to power. Both sides have been pushing each other towards wanting to annihilate each other. But do you think a two state solution would minimize the suffering, but is not a feasible outcome?

      • @deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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        111 year ago

        A two-state solution was viable before Israel settled people in the middle of the west bank.

        As an intentional tactic of Zionist settlers, it is now impossible to have a defensible border.

        The only way forward now is to end apartheid and give full rights to the civilians living in the West Bank and Gaza.

        Zionists will claim this “destroys Israel” or other nonsense we heard from South African defenders of apartheid.

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          1 year ago

          Didn’t Israel remove all Gaza settlements in 2005? Seems like they could do the same for the West Bank. And why would that be needed for an independent Gaza?

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          -31 year ago

          I would also be in favor of ending racist government policies and giving full rights and protections to Palestinians, but that is really difficult with the terrorist actions.

      • TheDankHold
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        11 year ago

        The Zionists I’m talking about funded and propped up Hamas. Likud is not younger than Hamas. You seem to have a very limited understanding of this.

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          21 year ago

          Sure, maybe, you’re right I have only spent a few hours looking into the origin and spread of Hamas. But whether Hamas was funded by Zionists is irrelevant to whether their use of violence creates more or less suffering overall. In response to the original question, I think Hamas is causing much more harm and suffering to the people of Gaza by their excessive violence than diplomatic efforts likely would have.

          • ???OP
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            21 year ago

            But why shift it on Hamas when it’s Israel breaking every humanitarian law? I’m asking seriously. Whatever response Hamas expected, I’m not sure it included bombing every single hospital or it’s vicinity in one night (which happened already)

            • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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              11 year ago

              Because the question was about Hamas not Israel. And Hamas actually benefits from an overreaction from Israel, since it will further radicalize the population, giving more credence to their stance of violence. So they may well have been hoping for exactly the response they are getting. But the issue is in so violently pushing for a maximalist dissolution of Israel goal, they gave up their chance at achieving independence.