Her Instagram post, translated in the link:

“Come on settlers, we will slaughter you. We are waiting for you in all the cities of the West Bank. What Hitler did to you was a picnic. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls”

She has since been arrested:

  • @Ghyste@sh.itjust.works
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    731 year ago

    Individuals such as this should never be given any sort of publicity.

    Unfortunately we are in the age of sensationalism, and lunatics like this one are widely reported because it drives more page views and more clicks.

    • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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      331 year ago

      And she’s 21. Like, I feel, as a society, we can comfortably take any brilliance from a 21 year old as someone who has a special insight worthy of sharing, but we can also disregard any of the more outlandish shit that comes out of 21 year olds mouths. A lot of 21 year olds are brash and full of bluster. All that can be written off as immature horseshit.

      Again, some are wise beyond their years, or have a decent head on their shoulders and spend their fresh adulthood wisely, doing good. They can have bright, new ideas that should be listened to…but this is not a new idea, nor is it worth reporting. Except as propaganda. Which is exactly what this article is, let’s not kid ourselves.

      “Outspoken 21 year old says something horrible and outlandish!” Implied: [see what we’re up against? This particular group of HORRIBLE PEOPLE needs to be “relocated.”] Yes, what this person said was horrible. Yes, there are stupid people who are angry and using that anger inappropriately. But this does not change the current situation. An occupying force is wiping out a long-suffering people with the imperial might of the most war-hungry nations and capitalist enterprises in its ear and at its back. This is not a noble endeavor because some 21 year old said something wrong, the 21 year old is wrong for saying what they said. But…so is what the state of Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. The children dying have nothing to do with this idiot. She is nothing more than convenient war machine propaganda.

      • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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        -451 year ago

        This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s one of many posts by influencers like the Hadid sisters, Mia Khalifa, and more. She’s an idiot, but she’s representative example of Palestinian sentiment at the moment.

        The children dying right now are the result of an unrelenting campaign of violent hate speech and teaching hatred in schools.

        • @ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com
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          321 year ago

          You can’t blame the children dieing on anyone but the people responsible for actually dropping the bombs and shooting the bullets.

          Violence is almost never the answer, and indiscriminate violence actually never ever is.

          No one but the children are without fault in this conflict, but still far too many (more than 0) children pay the ultimate price. You can wage war without killing children, it just costs more. But if you can’t pay that price then the war can’t ever be considered just.

          • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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            -211 year ago

            A 16 year old is a child, right? Let’s look at some semi-hypotheticals and you tell me who you think is to blame:

            • A 16 year old with a butcher knife who has already stabbed two people
            • A 16 year old being told to stand next to a jeep in the middle of a firefight
            • A 16 year old shooting a rifle
            • A 4 year old boy who is forced to be next to a senior commander 24/7 who holds the boy in front of him when the shooting starts

            War is hell, and it is complicated. Child soldiers will die, and there will be civilians caught in the crossfire. The is no track for this trolley that has 0 children. Any military has to balance the number of civilians killed vs the risk to its own soldiers vs the likelihood of killing their intended targets. If you expect them to sacrifice hundreds or thousands of soldiers just to avoid a few civilians, you grossly misunderstand how the world works. Most military forces will certainly be unwilling to sacrifice a single soldier for a single civilian, even on their own side.

              • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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                -121 year ago

                What is proportionate to the brutal murder of 1400 people, including women and children?

                What is proportionate to the ongoing rocket barrages on civilians?

                Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?

                • @ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world
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                  I would ask what you think is proportionate to the 10,000 dead civilians on the other side of the fence but I’m not going to do that, math is clearly not your strong suit. I hope they haunt you forever. I’m not a religious ethnostate, if I was in their shoes I would take them the fuck off.

                • SeaJ
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                  101 year ago

                  Well killing 10,000 people is not exactly proportional. I guess technically it is since that proportion works out to 50:7.

                • @Skates@feddit.nl
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                  Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?

                  I would move out of the area I occupied. I would feel bad for displacing an entire people for my own fucked up notion of the afterlife. I would feel horrible for allowing my government to perform genocide. I would feel powerless to change anything, but not powerless to stop supporting that government. I would sell any asset in the country, and start over somewhere else.

                  There is no “complicated political situation”. There are only facts. 70 years ago, an invading army took over Palestinian land with the help of the UN and UK and most superpowers. Now there are those in Palestine who fight it and are being exterminated, and those who accept it and are still being exterminated, because Israel’s intent has always been to seize control of the region and drive darker skinned people out, and this has been a selling point for the terrorist state of Israel to be established ever since day one, which is proven by letters from the 1940s between zionists and their supporters.

                  • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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                    -81 year ago

                    There is no “complicated political situation”. There are only facts. 70 years ago, an invading army took over Palestinian land with the help of the UN and UK and most superpowers. Now there are those in Palestine who fight it and are being exterminated, and those who accept it and are still being exterminated, because Israel’s intent has always been to seize control of the region and drive darker skinned people out, and this has been a selling point for the terrorist state of Israel to be established ever since day one, which is proven by letters from the 1940s between zionists and their supporters.

                    Your copypasta is old - it’s been 75 years since 1948.

            • @ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com
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              81 year ago
              • The punishment for murder should never be murder
              • The person shooting the unarmed civilian
              • If the 16 year old is engaged in the fighting and is a soldier then he’s no longer a civilian and thus fair game. The people putting rifles in the hands of kids and telling them to fight are to blame.
              • Someone using a kid as a literal meat shield in an actual firefight is an insane hypothetical. But shooting the kid to kill the commander can’t ever be considered the moral/just/right answer.

              You’re just apologizing for war. Why? What’s so good/important about war that you need to defend it? Why is it insane to expect nations to not kill civilians?

            • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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              Legally and morally yes in amongst every country. Including Israel.

              Ed: I should say according to the talmud no one is adult until 18.

        • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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          131 year ago

          Shut the fuck up, live in an open air concentration camp for awhile and see how you feel about the occupiers.

        • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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          51 year ago

          I understand perfectly what you’re saying. Antisemitism is a huge problem. That’s not up for debate. There are a lot of stupid people mistaking antisemitism for “pro-Palestine.” Not just anti-Israel, but for legitimate antisemitism. It’s like third wave feminist-come-latelies that mistake misandry for feminism. That’s not positive nor is it helpful. In fact it’s a problem in and of itself. And yes, this information/political identity literacy needs to be addressed.

          BUT. The existence of stupid people does not negate the fact that there is a systematic elimination of Palestinian people by the IDF/Israeli state. You can call that a lot of names. But it’s the much larger, much more immediate problem that needs to be addressed.

          What complicates this issue and conflates these two issues (unnecessarily) is Israel itself, using the shield and cudgel of “antisemitism” to protect itself from MUCH NEEDED criticism and to muddy the waters of this discussion. When you put anyone on the defensive, having to fend off the label of “antisemitic” when they’re trying to criticize the Israeli state for the…well…genocide that it’s perpetrating on the Palestinian people, it furthers the decimation of the Palestinian people.

          And, again, to clarify, antisemitism IS A HUGE PROBLEM. And there are a lot of political-discussion illiterates debating this issue in 140 characters or on protest signs—all without much more thought than “I need to be on the right side of this issue”—which leaves no room for the nuance of making this clarification.

          Do you see what I’m saying?

          • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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            -71 year ago

            There is a place for legitimate criticism of Israeli policy - but I draw the line at calling for the death of Israelis. It isn’t criticism; it’s just hate speech.

            The problem that I’m trying to pull up here is that this is not an isolated incident of a single person posting hate speech. There is a large group of people who celebrated the events of October 7th, and are passing that hatred on to their children through education.

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              …you’re still not grasping my point, though. And this is the exact problem. I very clearly stated that calling for “death to Jews” or any kind of shit like that is a massive problem. Yeah, that’s antisemitic and antisemitism is wrong. It’s a problem that some people can’t differentiate between criticism of Israel and going after Jewish people. Yeah, it’s a problem and anyone with a brain agrees.

              And that’s the thing right there. Amplifying the idiots that don’t know how to be anti-occupation/anti-israel without being antisemitic is propaganda. Why is there an article about this idiot making horrible statements? This article doesn’t try to discuss the nuance that I’m trying to discuss, it’s simply saying, “look at what THE ENEMY is saying! How can you NOT support Israel?!”

              The Israeli govt and the lobbyists and all of the nations are all using “antisemitism” as a SHIELD against criticizing Israel/the occupation. They’re amplifying what this 21 year old is saying because it helps to turn public sentiments in favor of Israel/muddies the waters of what is happening.

              It’s like the Russian propaganda amplifying the far-right/white supremacist factions in Ukraine so they can say “we invaded Ukraine to rid it of NAZIS!” Does the problem of white supremacy/far right/Nazi sympathizers exist in Ukraine? YES. But to use that as some kind of justification is beyond absurd. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN can see past it.

              And ANYONE WITHOUT ULTERIOR MOTIVES won’t repeat that nonsense. The same is true of this issue. Do we need to discuss and rid the world of antisemitic sentiments? OF COURSE! The same goes for far-right/white supremacist/Nazi sympathizing.

              These problems exist. They are worth putting energy into. But IN NO WAY are they justifications for the invasion/occupation happening.

              Now do you see what I mean?

              • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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                I posted this article because I knew it was a matter of time for someone to post the Al Jazeera article and it would lack the proper context that this is hate speech, and that the evidence is very much towards it having been written by her.

                That happened by the way. I’d link it for you but I’m on mobile now.

                My justification for the invasion of Gaza is the actions of Hamas on October 7th and their actions every day since then, not people writing hate speech on social media. What I’m trying to say is that there is no viable option for long term peace so long as hate speech like this exists and their educational system drills it into every single child.

                Now do you see what I mean?

                • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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                  Hate speech will always exist. The defeat of the Nazis in WW2 didn’t end antisemitism. It didn’t even end fuckin nazism. The civil war didn’t end confederate sympathies. The fall of the USSR didn’t defeat Stalinism. The war on terror didn’t end terrorism. The war on drugs didn’t end drugs.

                  So to say, “I support apartheid because hate speech exists” is…genuinely insane. Wars on ideas and behaviors NEVER end the idea or the behavior. And to somehow believe that they CAN, somehow, maayybe this time! work is nothing more than either lying for ulterior motives, or you’re somehow convincing yourself.

                  Did the war in Afghanistan and the way in Iraq make sense because of 9/11? OF COURSE NOT. There were ulterior motives for those invasions. There are ulterior motives for this extermination. And they’re actually being perpetrated by mostly the same goddamn entities.

                  Let me just ask, do you now say that you support the “war on terror” and “operation Iraqi Freedom” because 9/11? If you don’t buy into that rationale, then you will have to explain to me how you could possibly be buying into this one.

                  —also, if I didn’t make myself clear: the bush wars bred ISIS and only served to boost Al qaeda strength/positioning. And the extermination of the Palestinian people is causing a massive surge in antisemitism. Again, as I stated in every single one of my precious comments: THIS IS WRONG, ANTISEMITISM IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THIS CONFLICT. But it is very much a response. Terrorism is ALSO wrong, but the war on terror served as the greatest recruitment tool fundamentalist extremist groups ever had. So if your ultimate concern is ending antisemitic hate speech, you’re very much on the wrong side of this issue.

                  • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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                    -71 year ago

                    I think you missed the point - there can be no long term peace when either side views the other with a level of hatred that they justify killing innocent civilians and cheer that on.

                    This is happening on both sides, but this specific incident is a Palestinian woman who has been fed hate speech her entire life, while others around her learned it in UNRWA funded schools and turned around to murder civilians in terror attacks.

                • @Skates@feddit.nl
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                  01 year ago

                  This sounds like onion news. “Victims of genocide who wish the same upon the nation that is exterminating them accused of hate speech” - are you fucking kidding me?

                  Yeah, a localized Hitler is what Palestine should want right now. It’s their only chance to survive.

        • SeaJ
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          Not sure that I would call Mia Khalifa a representative of Palestinian sentiment considering she is Lebanese. Bella Hadid has expressed sympathy for Palestinians killed as well as Israelis. Either way, the Hadids were born in the US.

          The children don’t right now are the result of the Israeli leaders and military killing them. It’s silly to say otherwise.

        • @orrk@lemmy.world
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          21 year ago

          is this the part where I tell you that that report was made by a totally non-biased Israeli NGO who’s entire modus operandi seems to be trying to discredit the UN via smear campaigns

          • @steventhedev@lemmy.worldOP
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            -21 year ago

            Even if you throw out this report because of who wrote it, rather than looking at the content, there has been plenty of coverage of hate speech in Palestinian educational curriculums for many years. Even the UNHRC included references to it in their 2019 and 2023 reports. The EU was threatening to pull funding because of it.

            Don’t teach kids to hate.