You’re thinking that it’s AMAB female-identifying lesbians. There’s AFAB lesbians that prefer he/him pronouns, but prefer the butch/femme lesbian experience. Or a combination or other stuff too.
This is (usually) the result of years of not being to openly label yourself, hiding who you are, and feeling alone and not part of a broader community.
Just like a compressed spring will then expand after being let go before returning to a more balanced state, when society slowly gave queer people the space to at least exist openly, people started looking really deeply at “who they are” and “what communities do I belong to” and “how do I find what I want in a sea of diversity” which in turn gave rise to surprisingly specific microlabeling.
The tendency is for this to tone down, with broader categories. But who knows, we can’t really predict language and societal change like that.
That would explain why hbt -> hbtq -> htbqi -> hbtqi+ (and probably more that I don’t know about).
I was very confused when this started early on, when trying to do right and using the correct label/word, just to learn there was a new letter to the acronym.
You are who you are, whether you publicly label yourself as it or not. Others recognizing how I feel, and what I want, has nothing to do with whether it is legitimate or not.
Stop making such a big fuss about this. You want to feel a woman? Fine. You want to become a trans man or woman? Fine. You wan to feel like a dragon or (yes) an attack helicopter? All fine, great! So what you want, it’s your life.
But for the love of god, stop bugging other people about it. This entire gender and pronoun thing has gone way off the rails. pronouns is a non issue, no-one cares. There are hundreds of actual important issues at hand, try and focus on those?
yes, since roughly 1850-1910 depending on your country or state people have been assigned a gender at birth. As it’s a relatively new thing (from the perspective of the last ~2 million years of humans existing), there has been a movement since those early years, to allow people to change it.
Yeaaahh, and for those people living in the real-world, that gender is not assigned, it’s literally what you are. If you later in life feel like you’re not, that’s fine, switch, or not, it’s your life, live it, love it.
Either which way: at birth, barring some extreme exceptions, every one has just a penis or a vagina and as such is a boy or a girl.
Bothi wrong with that, and nothing that should be abolished because I don’t like to abolish reality
In your example, is the distinction that you used the word “prefer” for pronouns? So the hypothetical couple are both AFAB and identify as homosexual women but enjoy being called by male pronouns?
Fair enough. I’m generally a live and let live type of person - but this scenario just seems like a living contradiction to me, so I’m struggling to understand it.
Also, having just looked at my own reply, sorry if my line of questions came off as needlessly confrontational - was not my intention, I was just curious were others line up on this.
I understand, I am confused by it as well, but as you said it, live and let live. It truly doesn’t affect me, one way or the other, as long as no one is getting hurt (non consensually) and everyone is having fun, then it has no bearing on my life, so I don’t trouble myself with it. Let me know your pronouns, and I’ll address you as such, the rest doest matter to me!
You’re thinking that it’s AMAB female-identifying lesbians. There’s AFAB lesbians that prefer he/him pronouns, but prefer the butch/femme lesbian experience. Or a combination or other stuff too.
Man, I never understood the need to microlabel yourself. Just seems weird.
This is (usually) the result of years of not being to openly label yourself, hiding who you are, and feeling alone and not part of a broader community.
Just like a compressed spring will then expand after being let go before returning to a more balanced state, when society slowly gave queer people the space to at least exist openly, people started looking really deeply at “who they are” and “what communities do I belong to” and “how do I find what I want in a sea of diversity” which in turn gave rise to surprisingly specific microlabeling.
The tendency is for this to tone down, with broader categories. But who knows, we can’t really predict language and societal change like that.
I saw that in myself actually. I used to look for a very specific label to describe myself with, now I just go with “mostly man I guess”
That would explain why hbt -> hbtq -> htbqi -> hbtqi+ (and probably more that I don’t know about).
I was very confused when this started early on, when trying to do right and using the correct label/word, just to learn there was a new letter to the acronym.
Hbt?
Homophobic, biphobic, transphobic
That makes sense, thanks.
Labeling yourself is not being who you are. And, gender nor sexuality are a community.
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Yes
It’s a part of it, and they can be.
You are who you are, whether you publicly label yourself as it or not. Others recognizing how I feel, and what I want, has nothing to do with whether it is legitimate or not.
How so?
Labeling myself helps me understand myself better and finding others like me.
People coming together for a shared cause/feeling/purpose is a community. That’s like saying knitting isn’t a community.
I never understood the need to label yourself at all but I mean if it helps that’s great I guess
Why would you not want to be placed in the smallest possible box?
/s
AMAB? AFAB?
Armored Mechanical Assault Battalions
And
Automated Fusion Assault Berserker
Oh! Sounds so obvious now that you say it!
Now thats my kind of lesbian!
90th Mechanical Assault Batalion! Oorah!
Assigned Male/Female At Birth
Thanks!
So, assigned the biological gender that they actually had at birth
Biological sex*
Stop making such a big fuss about this. You want to feel a woman? Fine. You want to become a trans man or woman? Fine. You wan to feel like a dragon or (yes) an attack helicopter? All fine, great! So what you want, it’s your life.
But for the love of god, stop bugging other people about it. This entire gender and pronoun thing has gone way off the rails. pronouns is a non issue, no-one cares. There are hundreds of actual important issues at hand, try and focus on those?
Yea, it would be nice if republicans tried to solve issues rather than create them.
yes, since roughly 1850-1910 depending on your country or state people have been assigned a gender at birth. As it’s a relatively new thing (from the perspective of the last ~2 million years of humans existing), there has been a movement since those early years, to allow people to change it.
Yeaaahh, and for those people living in the real-world, that gender is not assigned, it’s literally what you are. If you later in life feel like you’re not, that’s fine, switch, or not, it’s your life, live it, love it.
Either which way: at birth, barring some extreme exceptions, every one has just a penis or a vagina and as such is a boy or a girl.
Bothi wrong with that, and nothing that should be abolished because I don’t like to abolish reality
Here, take my downvote and go sit in the corner with it.
In your example, is the distinction that you used the word “prefer” for pronouns? So the hypothetical couple are both AFAB and identify as homosexual women but enjoy being called by male pronouns?
No hate intended, just trying to educate myself.
I believe so, but I am not an expert. I just know about synonyms for lesbians (lesbonyms if you will)
No, I was thinking the latter - the former example with at least one MtF partner should just be lesbians, because they both identify as female, no?
But if they’re identifying as a guy, but still identifying as lesbian, doesn’t that kind of dilute the fact that they’re identifying as a guy?
Taking that gender identity at face value, shouldn’t any relationship under it identify as gay/straight (dependent on which partner(s) are FtM)?
Not my pig, not my farm. Imma let the queers be queer and just try my best.
Fair enough. I’m generally a live and let live type of person - but this scenario just seems like a living contradiction to me, so I’m struggling to understand it.
Also, having just looked at my own reply, sorry if my line of questions came off as needlessly confrontational - was not my intention, I was just curious were others line up on this.
I didn’t get that vibe from you. I was just saying that thinking about it too rigorously just makes being an ally more difficult than it needs to be.
I understand, I am confused by it as well, but as you said it, live and let live. It truly doesn’t affect me, one way or the other, as long as no one is getting hurt (non consensually) and everyone is having fun, then it has no bearing on my life, so I don’t trouble myself with it. Let me know your pronouns, and I’ll address you as such, the rest doest matter to me!
-Whitman