Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
I’m not sure where the 500 trucks number comes from, but so far there are no reports about people in Gaza dying from dehydration or starvation.
I’m not disagreeing that it’s tragic and that there are many innocent people, from both sides, that are getting caught in the crossfire.
I do think that it’s important to reflect the reality, that the situation there is more complex than “Israel bad Palestinian good”
Innocent people be them Palestinian, Israel, Jordanian, etc don’t deserve to be bombed, starved, denied water, and medical care to make a point about which belligerent is worse.
I’ll take a stab at it. Without trying to wish away things that can’t be wished for.
Transition the administration of the contested area (mandatory Palestine basically) over to a secular representative government. With peacekeeping provided by the UN. The secular government should be completely separate from any religion, but have the right to religion as part of the Constitution.
Encourage massive economic integration between the different ethnic populations. There will be civil turmoil for quite a while, but we’re winning slowly, demonstrating the people the future is better together. It’ll probably take two or three generations until things settle down. So we’re looking at an occupying force for 40 to 60 years.
To add legitimacy to this government, they should have a truth and reconciliation panel covering and forgiving all of the crimes of the past, they should objectively, and harshly come down on any land crimes, hate crimes, religious persecution, religious exclusion, that happens inside the country.
One huge problem, is there is a large population of young men, who don’t have any prospects or hope. So any form of stability is going to come from keeping those men occupied, invested in the future. Be that military service, Peace corps service, education, those men have to be occupied. Otherwise it’ll become a recruiting ground for any religious fascist.
They sure as shit are not going to give up any land for each other, so they will have to live in peace with each other.
From a practical perspective, the West bank is now a bunch of islands, and not a contiguous region… the settlers have made it a near impossibility to have a two state solution that isn’t just Butustans
But remember you asked me, a lay person, to solve this intense geo political issue, I’m giving you my best stab at it… its not going to be perfect, but it beats killing each other in cycles and saying there is no other way.
Mate… that’s cramping 17 million Palestinians (who some hate each other as much as they hate Israelis) together with 9 million Israelis in this tiny region that can barely support the existing population, and all that without even solving any of the legal or values parts of this conflict.
I’m not sure where the 500 trucks number comes from, but so far there are no reports about people in Gaza dying from dehydration or starvation.
I’m not disagreeing that it’s tragic and that there are many innocent people, from both sides, that are getting caught in the crossfire. I do think that it’s important to reflect the reality, that the situation there is more complex than “Israel bad Palestinian good”
Innocent people be them Palestinian, Israel, Jordanian, etc don’t deserve to be bombed, starved, denied water, and medical care to make a point about which belligerent is worse.
True.
Keep in mind that throughout this war Hamas has continued to fire rockets at Israel - more than 7,000 so far, all targeting civilian population.
I don’t think Israel has any choice here.
How would you react?
I’ll take a stab at it. Without trying to wish away things that can’t be wished for.
Transition the administration of the contested area (mandatory Palestine basically) over to a secular representative government. With peacekeeping provided by the UN. The secular government should be completely separate from any religion, but have the right to religion as part of the Constitution.
Encourage massive economic integration between the different ethnic populations. There will be civil turmoil for quite a while, but we’re winning slowly, demonstrating the people the future is better together. It’ll probably take two or three generations until things settle down. So we’re looking at an occupying force for 40 to 60 years.
To add legitimacy to this government, they should have a truth and reconciliation panel covering and forgiving all of the crimes of the past, they should objectively, and harshly come down on any land crimes, hate crimes, religious persecution, religious exclusion, that happens inside the country.
One huge problem, is there is a large population of young men, who don’t have any prospects or hope. So any form of stability is going to come from keeping those men occupied, invested in the future. Be that military service, Peace corps service, education, those men have to be occupied. Otherwise it’ll become a recruiting ground for any religious fascist.
The Rwanda’s Resilience solution? Are you suggesting to merge the entire region - Israel + the 4 groups of Palestinians to a single country?
They sure as shit are not going to give up any land for each other, so they will have to live in peace with each other.
From a practical perspective, the West bank is now a bunch of islands, and not a contiguous region… the settlers have made it a near impossibility to have a two state solution that isn’t just Butustans
But remember you asked me, a lay person, to solve this intense geo political issue, I’m giving you my best stab at it… its not going to be perfect, but it beats killing each other in cycles and saying there is no other way.
No, I understand and appreciate your attempt.
In this solution, do the Palestinians also get the right of return?
Yes. Equality in the eyes of the law, ignorant of religion. If right of return exists it must be for all
Mate… that’s cramping 17 million Palestinians (who some hate each other as much as they hate Israelis) together with 9 million Israelis in this tiny region that can barely support the existing population, and all that without even solving any of the legal or values parts of this conflict.
I reckon it’ll be an all-v-all bloodbath…